Solid Axle?

Soutthpaw · Post by **Soutthpaw** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:02 pm

depends if you can weld or not I guess. also on what axle you decide to use. yep you could add strut mounting brackets to the solid axle and do it that way. I also have access to a whole bunch of parts that would work well for doing this... but I have no reason to do it on my vehicle.

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:31 pm

I think I DID say its not cost effective?
More like comparing a chicken egg to a fabriche egg. One is cheap and useful to you, the other is friggin expensive, and unless you like uber-expensive stuff, pretty useless too. (shrug)

Well, I suppose a bracket could be mounted into the current control arm locations, but consider this. They call them TRAILING links for a reason. The axle trails behind them. If you put the link-body mounts right ABOVE where the original axloe was, the new axle will be maybe a foot or more behind it. Talk about your approach angles!
I suppose if you formed a half-box-ish shape, mounted its rear members to the control arm locations, and the forward to fabbed mounts forward of it you could potentially keep the axle where it was.

Are there such things as leading links? Links that keep the axle pushed forward rather than dragging it? If there are, then it might not be too hard to figure it all out.

Again, I dunno. I suppose I need a coil-sprung solid live front axle to look at. Leaf would make it easier to figure out, sure, but you sacrifice wheel travel and comfort of ride.

I'll need to make some time to examine the front underbody.

coltarms · Post by **coltarms** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:14 pm

I don't understand what you mean by trailing links. The control arms on my Jeep (TJ) are attached to the frame and hold the axle in front of the control arms. The rear are just the opposite.....

ghettomobile · Post by **ghettomobile** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:58 pm

I own a tracker, and the knuckles and struts are far too large for a tercel. The tracker is truck based like the samurai, and has a body on frame construction, with rwd while in 2 hi, and 4wd with the hubs locked and in 4 hi or 4lo. I think it is a very good car with the longevity of any toyota(if you take car of it and are nice to it).

ghettomobile · Post by **ghettomobile** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:08 am

here is a simple yet effective way to put a straight axle under the tercel. Get a samurai front and rear axle(to keep the gear ratios and lug bolt patterns the same, a rwd corolla tranny, and a samurai transfercase(samurais have a divorced transfercase). get some driveshafts made with adapters to fit the transmission, axles, and tranfercase together, and it all together, with samurai leaf springs front and rear. Leaf springs are the simplest to mount, and the transmission and t-case only need some bracketry to hold them in place, and the steering could be achieved by getting either a toyota pickup IFS steering box, or a samurai steering box, mounting it, and making the tie rods to fit.

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:19 am

But once again, you hit the issue of if you want real offroad prowess, leaves are not that amazing. They don't travel as much, and I'm sure there is more.
I suppose you always end up working for what you want......

Also, isn't the Samurai a good bit narrower than the Terc? A wider track is always good (untill you are too big to go up the fun trails) as far as I understand it. That and you won't roll over as easily.

French Vince · Post by **French Vince** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:03 pm

Hello!

I was wondering if the AE86 Solid axle could fit on a tercel but someone did a topic before me.

I havent understand everything (I' didn't mange to translate your messages) so I'd like to know if the solid axle of an AE86 witch is equiped with a "auto-lockable diff" could fit on a tercel.

I have two tercel, and I am preparing one for a serious off roading.

Sorry if I am borring.

PS : Please answer with as simply as possible words, my english technical vocabulary is limited! Thank for all!

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:54 pm

French Vince wrote:Hello!

I was wondering if the AE86 Solid axle could fit on a tercel but someone did a topic before me.

I havent understand everything (I' didn't mange to translate your messages) so I'd like to know if the solid axle of an AE86 witch is equiped with a "auto-lockable diff" could fit on a tercel.

I have two tercel, and I am preparing one for a serious off roading.

Sorry if I am borring.

PS : Please answer with as simply as possible words, my english technical vocabulary is limited! Thank for all!

Yes, the AE86 rear axle will bolt into the Tercel 4wd. The main problem is that many AE86 have a different final drive ratio than the tercel (4.3:1 instead of 4.1:1). You MUST match the rear ratio to the front ratio in order to use 4wd. However, I think that the AE86 in France (Europe) does have a 4.1:1 ratio, so it may work perfectly (you will have to check). Finding one with an LSD would be best. You also will get rear disk brakes with it, and will have to use different rims (4x114.3mm instead of 4x100mm).

Good luck!

RabidHamster · Post by **RabidHamster** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:14 pm

I don't remeber if its the same 5spd, but the ae corolla chassis came with the the 3a too

as for the rear axle... you'll have to find a few parts, but a 1st gen supra axle .. with a 3rd gen supra N/A LSD rear diff in it should do the trick

but then your running into the issue of having 2 different bolt patterns on your car

Gasoline Fumes · Post by **Gasoline Fumes** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:01 am

RabidHamster wrote:but then your running into the issue of having 2 different bolt patterns on your car

I've mentioned it before, but a lot of aftermarket alloy wheels have dual bolt patterns, usually 4x100mm and 4x114.3mm.

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:59 am

Not a 3a, a 4a. 100cc~ more displacement.

Yeah, the 5MGE Cressida's are the same bolt pattern as my sis's Corolla-Tercel. And our Geo Metro. But not the Passat or Terc. Though my mom's Konig rims will fit both.

RabidHamster · Post by **RabidHamster** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:54 pm

my 3a comment was in relation to the post that started this whole thread....

I don't know about the 4ac trans bolting right to the wagons 3a.. but the AE Chassis RWD corolla's did have a 3a offering in them too... see if the trans and the bell housing are the same... if they are then the trans from the 4a powered cars will bolt up to the 3a in the wagons

as a side note if you go up through the mod ladder to other cars... and are going through the trouble of putting the toyota solid axles and T case in the wagon with a RWD trans... just use the truck or supra trans too.. then you can run a 4agze (the corolla rwd trans won't handle a 4agze for long... then add the strain of 4wd on that)

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:55 pm

I dunno how many times this has been said....
ANY A FAMILY ENGINE WILL BOLT TO ANY A FAMILY ENGINES BELLHOUSING! ANY! 4AGE, 4AC, 7A-FE, 3AC........ The primary issue is contained in the diameter of the flywheel.

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:34 pm

Another issue with truck-style 4wd.... Large drivetrain loss. Parasitic that is. An AWD system as implemented in the new WRX will have less loss. I'm sure there are many factors involved, but I've never fully understood drivetrain loss.