Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
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Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
While browsing issues of 1984 C and D looking for proof of a hatch SR5, I found this info. The .jpg print pretty much tells the story.
I will look for similar info in subsequent years.
Tom M.
As always, left-click to enlarge.
I will look for similar info in subsequent years.
Tom M.
As always, left-click to enlarge.
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T4WD augury?
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
LOL, awesome!
It seems our cars are a combination of the best and worst things in a car. Excellent: fuel economy, reliability, practicality, 4WD capability. Worst: top speed, 0-60 times, braking distance, not-so-pleasing to the eye design. There are other cars that are better or worse than us, but I still love the Tercel best.

It seems our cars are a combination of the best and worst things in a car. Excellent: fuel economy, reliability, practicality, 4WD capability. Worst: top speed, 0-60 times, braking distance, not-so-pleasing to the eye design. There are other cars that are better or worse than us, but I still love the Tercel best.

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"Glenda" 1984 SR5 4WD w/4AC engine swap, original hood ornament & inclinometer.
Named after the good witch in Wizard of Oz, because she always gets you home safely.
"Glenda" 1984 SR5 4WD w/4AC engine swap, original hood ornament & inclinometer.
Named after the good witch in Wizard of Oz, because she always gets you home safely.

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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
Braking distance easy to "up grade", and more power can be gained with a performance rebuild or engine swap. And then there is the ugly.....Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I kind of like the utilitarian appearance, and if you are handy, there are a few things that can be done to help the appearance. I have owned or worked on a lot of the others "best" cars, and the TErcel is still better. How many of those other "best" cars from 1983 are still on the road?
'87 Tercel 4wd SR5 (current engine swap project)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
Wait, what?
I did a whole 100MPH (GPS) in my T4WD. On a flat and completely empty part of I5 in CA.
I did a whole 100MPH (GPS) in my T4WD. On a flat and completely empty part of I5 in CA.
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1969 Miro 12' Skiff with 15HP Evinrude
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1969 Miro 12' Skiff with 15HP Evinrude
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
You have bested the testers from various years of Road & Track and Car and Driver and (fill in the blank)...
And that was with new cars...
Tom M.
P.S. And you bested me as well, back when my first ('83) T4WD was new - just less than 90 MPH.
And that was with new cars...
Tom M.
P.S. And you bested me as well, back when my first ('83) T4WD was new - just less than 90 MPH.
T4WD augury?
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
must of had a large tail wind in the CA central valley. No way a stock Tercel can go that fast. Than again, perhaps it is not stock.
'87 Tercel 4wd SR5 (current engine swap project)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
Perhaps I've gone mad?
Wheel size difference perhaps?
Next time I'm headed north, I'm going to try again and film the results. That was weird. While I was typing that, an ant was walking across my screen at the exact speed of rate I was typing. I think this is a sign.
Wheel size difference perhaps?
Next time I'm headed north, I'm going to try again and film the results. That was weird. While I was typing that, an ant was walking across my screen at the exact speed of rate I was typing. I think this is a sign.

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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
I believe the 100mph, I did it! I'm not stock although, the rear end does feel like a cloud and have to hold the steering pretty hard(non p/s)! I've topped a 102.65mph but a long flat slightly downhill maybe a degree! The 3a would not give much more without damaging it, I don't think, my tach(aftermarket) started to jump probably due to internal vibration! I've must been at 6500rpm(hard to say due to jumping)! Not likely to try again until the I got the 4AG in it, then I might try 120mph+ with some stiffening done to the back end!
Dont let your eyes to fool you!!!
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
never tried a "top end" run with a t4wd (back in my younger days, i did it with EVERY car i owned.) back when they were contemporary cars, a neighbor had a t4wd with vanity tag "fugly." maybe i'll try that top end run soon!
if it aint there, there's a good chance it won't break!
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85 SR5 Blue
88 SR5 White (the 'good' one)-not anymore-totaled
87 fwd silver wagon a/t
87 4wd dx Cream (a/t- not anymore- now m/t)
83 SR5 Silver/Blue (Snowmobile/work beater)-totaled but drivable
85 SR5 Blue
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87 fwd silver wagon a/t
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
Well - you must have had the blueprinted T4WD that was rumored to have been shipped here for the Daytona 500 that year, but was disqualified due to being too pretty. No one ever knew what happened to that car...
With all due respect - when none of the car mags could top mid-80s and from personal observation in a then-new '83 (all with the "high-speed" gearing), I think your results were due to:
A. Erroneous speedo;
B. Downhill;
C. Humongous tailwind;
D. At least one or all of the above.
Note that car mags, when testing cars (at least in those days, and in particular when testing econoboxes) were not gentle in their methods. I recall one of them, when testing a Spridget, wound that little motor to 7000 RPM in as many gears as it would reach. I was with a friend when he tried to duplicate that in his identical-to-the-test Midget and wound the poor thing to 7K in first gear - for a split-second. The poor thing sounded like it was going to fly apart.
Tom M.
With all due respect - when none of the car mags could top mid-80s and from personal observation in a then-new '83 (all with the "high-speed" gearing), I think your results were due to:
A. Erroneous speedo;
B. Downhill;
C. Humongous tailwind;
D. At least one or all of the above.
Note that car mags, when testing cars (at least in those days, and in particular when testing econoboxes) were not gentle in their methods. I recall one of them, when testing a Spridget, wound that little motor to 7000 RPM in as many gears as it would reach. I was with a friend when he tried to duplicate that in his identical-to-the-test Midget and wound the poor thing to 7K in first gear - for a split-second. The poor thing sounded like it was going to fly apart.
Tom M.
T4WD augury?
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
This is weird. I'll do a test run ASAP.
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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
what size of tires are you running, stefan?
Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
Got my 85 sr5 up to a buck ten! A couple suspension mods made it not too dramatic. But the engine was at 5500 and sounded like I was torturing the poor thing... Sorry snow white 

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Re: Car and Driver 1983 "Ten Best" List
Welcome to the list Bigdome10,
Exactly what suspension mods have you done. I really want to improve the rear end on my Tercel without forking over the big $ for AE86 rear suspension parts.
Exactly what suspension mods have you done. I really want to improve the rear end on my Tercel without forking over the big $ for AE86 rear suspension parts.
'87 Tercel 4wd SR5 (current engine swap project)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)