The END is nearer than you think...party on....

[takza]

http://www.naturalnews.com/z031669_life ... lture.html

Life is on the line

So those are 12 of the biggest things that are entirely unsustainable on our planet right now. Human life depends on most of them. It makes you wonder: How will humans survive when these systems and resources upon which we depend have run out or collapsed?

That is a question we'd all better be asking ourselves right now. Because the age of cheap fuel, cheap money, cheap water and cheap food is fast ending. The future of life on our planet will require something far more evolved than the infantile, selfish and self-destructive mindset that humanity has so far demonstrated.

Debt-based money systems don't cut it. Burning up all the fossil fuels is only a fool's abundance. Medicating the humans and animals with toxic, synthetic pharmaceuticals is a form of medical insanity. These things will all come to an end.

The question is: Who will survive the end of these things and be around to help shape the next society which must operate with far greater humility and wisdom?

[dlb]

i had a massive argument with the in-laws about something along these lines the other night. enbridge wants to build a big gas pipeline from alberta to kitimat, BC and then use hundreds of tankers a year to ship it up the coast and across the pacific. a lot of peeps are totally opposed for the obvious reasons of a delicate ecosystem and coastal communities being imperiled, not to mention that first nations peoples living in the affected areas were not consulted and the threat this would pose to other economies like fishing and tourism in the area. i don't think it's acceptable to go ahead and risk all that damage--there have been so many disastrous oil spills in recent years, besides the obvious big BP disaster, that it's clear that the oil companies don't care about doing damage. they care only about profits, and i don't want companies like that endangering the place i live. the in-laws said that the world needs oil so you can't just stop shipping it while you figure out a better way to do so, but i disagree because the damage that can be done cannot be undone so i don't think it's worth the risk. i'd rather pay more and live in a place that is still relatively clean and beautiful than have cheap gas and live in a disaster zone. god knows those companies have the money, power, and resources to create better ways to operate. it would just cost them more to do so and they sure don't like that.

[Petros]

The world has plenty of resources for humanity to grow and thrive for hundreds of years (that is a fact). The problem is the mismanagement of wealth and resources (mostly by incompetent governments).

[dlb]

agreed 100%, petros.

[splatterdog]

Don't worry. The "super moon" will take us all out very soon....

[Petros]

Don't worry. The "super moon" will take us all out very soon....

should that be "super moon-bat"?

[ohcanada_00]

bat boy mooned us?

[takza]

The world has plenty of resources for humanity to grow and thrive for hundreds of years (that is a fact). The problem is the mismanagement of wealth and resources (mostly by incompetent governments).

That is mostly corporate inspired propaganda? Many govts are incompetent because they are "owned" by corporate/capital/fascist interests. The US govt is a good example of incompetence and corruption...almost all sectors of govt/business are regulated by the same people who ARE regulated.

Humans ARE on a collision course with a whole lot of things related to overpopulation and overuse of resources...but since...generally speaking...they are dumber than yeast and there are profits involved...they want to deny it.

Those with most of the power and money will eventually realize as in Egypt...that their situations are more tenuous than they think. Income disparity is greater in the US than in Egypt.

I personally no longer argue that much about it or get involved politically....because having been one...human that is...and I realize that nothing will change what is going to happen but hard reality. When reality bites hard...as in Japan currently...humans pay attention...at least for a short while.

My prediction.....shortages...political upheaval...more resource wars...seriously degraded environment. I don't think there will be a big human die off...just that conditions will be so poor that populations will be reduced naturally...of course. The yeast will learn....the hard way.

Since I don't think things will change...my only concern is staying out of the way of stupid....as in do not get in front of a moving train.

* no one should take this personally...this is just an opinion which I am allowed under the Geneva Convention...name...rank...serial number...I am a prisoner of war.

[takza]

http://www.alternet.org/story/150180/na ... age=entire

But something very different is going on on the right, and I think we need to understand what that is. Why is climate change seen as such a threat? I don’t believe it’s an unreasonable fear. I think it’s unreasonable to believe that scientists are making up the science. They’re not. It’s not a hoax. But actually, climate change really is a profound threat to a great many things that right-wing ideologues believe in. So, in fact, if you really wrestle with the implications of the science and what real climate action would mean, here’s just a few examples what it would mean.

It would mean upending the whole free trade agenda, because it would mean that we would have to localize our economies, because we have the most energy-inefficient trade system that you could imagine. And this is the legacy of the free trade era. So, this has been a signature policy of the right, pushing globalization and free trade. That would have to be reversed.

You would have to deal with inequality. You would have to redistribute wealth, because this is a crisis that was created in the North, and the effects are being felt in the South. So, on the most basic, basic, "you broke it, you bought it," polluter pays, you would have to redistribute wealth, which is also against their ideology.

You would have to regulate corporations. You simply would have to. I mean, any serious climate action has to intervene in the economy. You would have to subsidize renewable energy, which also breaks their worldview.

You would have to have a really strong United Nations, because individual countries can’t do this alone. You absolutely have to have a strong international architecture.

So when you go through this, you see, it challenges everything that they believe in. So they’re choosing to disbelieve it, because it’s easier to deny the science than to say, "OK, I accept that my whole worldview is going to fall apart," that we have to have massive investments in public infrastructure, that we have to reverse free trade deals, that we have to have huge transfers of wealth from the North to the South. Imagine actually contending with that. It’s a lot easier to deny it.

[terceldude]

right-wing ideologues

the idiots of mankind! Also, if this supermoon wipes us all out, I expect some of us to be raptured to Jesus or enjoy most of the sinful pleasures of this world before being dead!

[Petros]

I think it’s unreasonable to believe that scientists are making up the science.

Than you know nothing about scientists. I have several in my family, it is about getting government funding for their research. No grants, no income. These people are just as capable of everything from wishful thinking, exaggeration, and down right lies as anyone else. You are a fool if you think otherwise. Not that all are dishonest, but they are all human.

[takza]

Some are a little more rational than religious nuts or right wingers....I'd rather see decisions based on factual...consensus type data than on wishful thinking based on profit and/or belief.

But my current philosophical approach is.....Stupid? You can't beat it with a stick....

In other words...do what you can to help yourself and step back to avoid the lemmings....you can't change people who think they are going to float up into the air at any point in time....or dedicated fascists (unprincipled capitalists melded with military power). There is a very good chance that the US is a failed empire...going down the tubes...but it isn't so visible to those inside it....those who buy the into propaganda. But when complex systems fail...they fail in a big way...?

[Petros]

Some are a little more rational than religious nuts or right wingers....

This is totally irrelevant. Why do you suddenly jump to an unrelated issue? I was talking about the FACT that many who claim to be scientists are not objective, and many are dishonest. You somehow think they are all honorable just because they are educated in science.

There is a very good chance that the US is a failed empire...going down the tubes...

I thought you like facts. We are not an empire in the classical sense, never have been and not know. Although there is a lot of foolishness at the top, we are a long way from failing. Some Facts: We are still the largest manufacturing country in the world, we still have lower unemployment than most other countries, and we still enjoy a better lifestyle than 90 plus percent of the population of the world. Why would you consider that a failure? IF all the irrational spending in the government does not stop we could end-up in even worse shape, but not failed.