New Weber...

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:38 pm

Well, I didn't win the Weber I was bidding on on Ebay. As my Terc is my daily driver and needs to be in tip top running condition, I've decided to just buy a brand new Weber for it. I think I'm going to buy through http://www.paradiseracing.com . Good to support the guys who provide performance parts for our engines. I'm hoping that a new weber will make my fuel mileage problems go away - in fact, I'm almost certain that is exactly what it will do. No more emissions crap to worry about, and a brand new carb shouldn't have any issues.

I'll take pics of the completed install. Can't wait to get it.

Man, I'm putting WAY to much $$ into this car. <_< Body work next I guess.

MootsMan · Post by **MootsMan** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:47 pm

I'm seriously thinking about doing the same thing, GTS. I'll be looking forward to seeing how your conversion goes. B)

Unrelated to the Weber, I'm still having unresolved timing issues. I took the distributor off the other day to drill out one of the bolts that had broken off and replace it, and now since I did that, the car idles at 2000RPM. Sometimes I think there's a curse put on the car whenever I touch it with a wrench !

shogun · Post by **shogun** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:27 pm

well im joining the ranks of the weber terks very soon, ill just need to finish the head first, doing a little porting here a little polishing there, a couple of angles here and a couple of better springs there

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:18 pm

Whoa.... Paradise Racing offers a Axle Housing with the Ford 9" center....

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:44 pm

Hmmm....
Does the 4A-C have the same size piston as ours? Can ours be safely bored out to the size of a 4A-C's if not?
PR sells a low-compression turbo piston for the 4A-C.

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:08 pm

Typrus wrote: Hmmm....
Does the 4A-C have the same size piston as ours? Can ours be safely bored out to the size of a 4A-C's if not?
PR sells a low-compression turbo piston for the 4A-C.

4AC piston has a larger diameter. The bore is larger than that of the 3AC. Stroke is the same though. I guess the 3AC could probably be bored out to the same as the 4AC, but why not just get a good 4AC bottom end? They're a dime a dozen.

Anyhow, thats all beside the point...what it comes down to, is the Tercel 4wd with its base 3AC engine is not made to be a race car. Turboing it would be a waste of time IMHO. There are much better cars to do this sort of stuff too. It's too easy to get attached to a particular car sometimes, and not think of the better options that are available.

Our cars are great at 4wding and being tough ass multi-purpose cars...therefore, thats the best thing to build on and make them better at. If a fast car is what you want, then start with a rwd Supra/Celica/Corolla. They are easy cars to make decently fast, and are equally well made.

All that said, I think one of the most mild 4ac performance cams from paradise racing might be a nice upgrade to the 3AC, along with the Weber. This all done on a good condition good compression 3AC. Would make some decent power.

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:22 pm

If I wanted a Corolla or a Supra, I'd get one. The 80's ones aren't too expensive, and I suddenly noticed 6 different Celica All-Tracs hovering around one of the local towns.
Yes, I am an idiot for wanting to do all the different things I want to do.
I don't mean to take this as an affront particularly from you but as a general nuisance-
I must be an idiot for wanting to have to work to make something meet the general standard of "good". I must be a massive moron for wanting to take the time to customize a car thats sub-standard and make it into at very least a conversation piece. I must be an idiot for having a liking for a car that isn't FI, isn't a V-6, and isn't a 2-door sport coupe.
I look at some things and wonder how to improve them. I look at a truck bed and wonder what kind of aerodynamic insert would increase efficiency. I look at our cars and wonder how to shave a few lbs of negative boost off.
I look at a dually and consider how to make the inner/outer tire spin at different rates while still transfering a degree of power to all 4 rear tires in order to decrease the need for specialized tires...

Sorry to mini-rant, but it annoys me how lazy people are... "If you want an off-roader, go buy at least a Samurai..." "If you want something fast, go buy an Eclipse GSX..."
Why don't I take a block of clay and mold it into something slightly different, and more incredible...

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:01 pm

Typrus wrote: If I wanted a Corolla or a Supra, I'd get one. The 80's ones aren't too expensive, and I suddenly noticed 6 different Celica All-Tracs hovering around one of the local towns.
Yes, I am an idiot for wanting to do all the different things I want to do.
I don't mean to take this as an affront particularly from you but as a general nuisance-
I must be an idiot for wanting to have to work to make something meet the general standard of "good". I must be a massive moron for wanting to take the time to customize a car thats sub-standard and make it into at very least a conversation piece. I must be an idiot for having a liking for a car that isn't FI, isn't a V-6, and isn't a 2-door sport coupe.
I look at some things and wonder how to improve them. I look at a truck bed and wonder what kind of aerodynamic insert would increase efficiency. I look at our cars and wonder how to shave a few lbs of negative boost off.
I look at a dually and consider how to make the inner/outer tire spin at different rates while still transfering a degree of power to all 4 rear tires in order to decrease the need for specialized tires...

Sorry to mini-rant, but it annoys me how lazy people are... "If you want an off-roader, go buy at least a Samurai..." "If you want something fast, go buy an Eclipse GSX..."
Why don't I take a block of clay and mold it into something slightly different, and more incredible...

Easy man...didn't mean to hammer on your plans. You've got an interest, and it seems some talent, and where there is a will, there is a way. I guess I've just seen too many people talk big on forums, when they can't even get their car to run right, or don't know how to do many basic repairs. Or don't have the $$ to do a fraction of what they talk about.

All I was trying to say is: The Tercel 4wd is a great multipurpose 4wd vehicle. If you want to do things to it to make it really fast, than do so by all means, and kudos to you, because making a tercel 4wd wagon into a fast car (acceleration, handling and deceleration) would be an extremely challenging task. Personally I think it is more suited to 4wding.

I'm all for vehicle improvement and engineering my own systems. I just know from much experience that it really does help a lot to start with the right clay for the job. (ie. if you want fast, get something with a stiff chassis, strong drive train, well balanced, etc.)

I WAS NOT calling you an idiot, moron or telling you to go buy a new car that is fast out of the box. I don't think I have ever said anything condesending to you on this forum. Please think a bit more before you write. And I hope you aren't calling me lazy...

Dirtmagnet · Post by **Dirtmagnet** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:19 pm

Don't think you can go wrong. See my other post on my updated performance since we installed ours.

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:51 pm

Well, it turned out that Paradise racing only had kits with the manual choke - no electric choke. So I ended up ordering direct from Weber Redline USA. The order has been put through, and I'm expecting to receive in the next couple weeks or so. Cost was $469.95 USD shipped. Can't wait to get it!! If it fixes my fuel economy issues (which I'm sure it will), then it'll be paying it's self off pretty quickly (probably in 6-8 months).

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:28 pm

Wasn't accusing you of being lazy, simply my peers.
The point was not really aimed at you, just kind of a general rant to those who can't think outside the box. It was just your comment that set it off. If your posts indicate anything overtime, you sure as hell aren't lazy and you seem to know your stuff (Heck, most of the gas car stuff I know is from here, or at least perked my interest here)
Most of my peers are the lazy, moronic, idiot freaks.

I know you weren't accusing me of being stupid. Again, just a set-off of things from my peer-peer relations.

Yes, I do talk pretty big. No, I don't have the $$$ to back up my plans, no I don't know how to go about doing most of these things. Its all an opportunity to think and learn.

(Sidenote- Who amongst us has told me what can be done to drift these? Who amongst us has given me lift idea? Thoughts on a VW Diesel install? I'm not bashing you guys, and I know you aren't me.)

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:43 pm

Typrus wrote: Wasn't accusing you of being lazy, simply my peers.
The point was not really aimed at you, just kind of a general rant to those who can't think outside the box. It was just your comment that set it off. If your posts indicate anything overtime, you sure as hell aren't lazy and you seem to know your stuff (Heck, most of the gas car stuff I know is from here, or at least perked my interest here)
Most of my peers are the lazy, moronic, idiot freaks.

I know you weren't accusing me of being stupid. Again, just a set-off of things from my peer-peer relations.

Yes, I do talk pretty big. No, I don't have the $$$ to back up my plans, no I don't know how to go about doing most of these things. Its all an opportunity to think and learn.

(Sidenote- Who amongst us has told me what can be done to drift these? Who amongst us has given me lift idea? Thoughts on a VW Diesel install? I'm not bashing you guys, and I know you aren't me.)

Cool man, glad thats cleared up.

It's people who have ideas like yours that do well in life. I hope I haven't dimmed your fire... Keep learning and keep workin' on your Terc!

Post by **ARCHINSTL** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:06 pm

To Typrus :
Paraphrasing what I wrote some time ago (and was dissed for my opinions) - your brain is always goin' fast. Some ideas are pie-in-the-sky and some cause cogitation. Your enthusiasm is laudable and enjoyable.

To Weber-folk:
In states with emissions testing (which I thought applied to all states), are there any special hoops through which you have to jump with the Weber? For better or for worse, I have kinda gained the impression that the Weber is for areas without testing - true? Some of you Weber-folk must live in testing areas.
Tom M.

Dirtmagnet · Post by **Dirtmagnet** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:25 pm

ARCHINSTL Posted on Aug 31 2005, 10:06 PM
To Weber-folk:
In states with emissions testing (which I thought applied to all states), are there any special hoops through which you have to jump with the Weber? For better or for worse, I have kinda gained the impression that the Weber is for areas without testing - true? Some of you Weber-folk must live in testing areas.

We do not have to pass any emmissions testing here in Georgia. It may be county specific. Some of the counties closer to, and surrounding Atlanta may have the testing.

Post by **ARCHINSTL** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:40 pm

I should have clarified my query re emissions testing and the Weber:
In Missouri, only the St. Louis Metro area (which encompasses several immediate counties, both here and in IL) is subject to "enhanced emissions inspections", meaning a "real" inspection.
I presume this may be a similar situation in other states as well, ie., only certain metropolitan areas as opposed to the entire state?
Tom M.