Electronic Ignition

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:08 am

Well, the lines I named are the only lines.
Odd how the power supply shoots the spike as well. Is that normal?
Whats the blue for?

Meh................
Ohhhhhh.... In the cap there is a connection from a point on the coil to a point on the rotor, right? If that is so, then would a wire from the exterior coil to the point connection put the power where it needs to be in order to still allow for spark transfer?

So will the extra volts increase spark accuracy at higher RPM's?

What kind of electronic are these things? Optical? MTD and Crane need to know what style these are before they can recommend a system to upgrade to with the box and all that good stuff.
So I'm assuming the major problem area with water is on the 2 contact points on the cap? Or is it something else in the Dizz?

takza · Post by **takza** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:50 am

Think the center thing is the reluctor...made of steel...pickup on left with the red wire is electromagnetic? Don't put any magnets near it.....?

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:37 pm

The center thing that is not perfectly circular connects to the rotor... I'm talking about the thing (not the vacuum) in the top of every picture...

So how could you get the coils out put to the same location?

shogun · Post by **shogun** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:46 pm

wel ill try talking to crane, lets see if they tel me how

OZ Rob · Post by **OZ Rob** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:12 am

Wow

That look's nothing like my dizzy & coil

here is a pic of my coil.

takza · Post by **takza** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:57 am

Typrus wrote: The center thing that is not perfectly circular connects to the rotor...

I'm saying it's magnetic...not optical...MSD wants to know....

Aussie_3ASCV · Post by **Aussie_3ASCV** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:47 pm

Well after 2 weeks of running a set of bosch super 4's and a GT40R ignition coil and quickfire blue ignition leads i can say that tercel is performing brilliantly. Im now getting around 480 Km out of a full tank o 98 Octane fuel as compared to 390 km i was getting before. And she doesnt seem as smokey. Soon (Next Pay Day) i will be getting the uprated Super 4's with the low resistance core. I think there called platinum's or iridium's or something. Also installed a Vacuum gauge so i can see how much my engines sucking. It was a cheap way with the ignition to really pep up the car

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:15 pm

Well, then that kind of REALLY makes me want that seperate coil setup.
How hard would it be to swap from the integrated setup to the older setup utilizing a seperate coil? My sis's 82 Corolla Tercel with the 3AC has a seperate coil. Would it be a pain in the arse to swap the setups out? Maybe I should use it's setup as inspiration to mod ours?

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:12 pm

Just SLIGHTLY <_< different

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:13 pm

So, anyone know how to put that 5th connector on the cap? I REALLY would like to eliminate that stock, weak coil.

shogun · Post by **shogun** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:43 am

when you do te install could you post some pics of the process im needing to upgrade my spark for the turbo install

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:19 pm

Nobody has input eh?

Aussie_3ASCV · Post by **Aussie_3ASCV** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:10 am

Cant You just put in another dizzy? If your in Aus or know someone you can have my dizzy from the SCV tercel. Its a standard lucas anyway i think. My escort one looks identical

takza · Post by **takza** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:22 am

You're talking about how to get the high voltage from the new outside coil to the center of the OEM type cap (with the internal coil)?

Haven't looked, but it must come up thru the side of the cap? Connect the wire from the new coil to this contact?

Better do it right or I can already smell fried components.....

Teddy1 · Post by **Teddy1** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:19 pm

Typrus said: Posted on Sep 7 2005, 11:13 PM

"So, anyone know how to put that 5th connector on the cap? I REALLY would like to eliminate that stock, weak coil."

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Typrus,

If your coil is weak... why not just replace it with a new factory one (that isn't weak?)

Why go to all the trouble of dicking around with your ignition, when in the end, you will have a less robust, less reliable set up, that won't make 1 more horsepower?

This thread makes no sense to me.

Have you verified that your stock coil is bad? The tests as outlined in the shop manual break this procedure down into several easy steps... check the impedance at the primaries and secondaries, check for voltage with key in the "on" and in the "off" position.

I think what confuses me here, is... the popular misconception that replacing ANY of your ignition parts with aftermarket ones will benefit performance (via this thread).

It won't. The stock ignition in the US spec 3A-C Tercels is adequate for engines much bigger (and higher compression).

You can add a "firebreathing" coil if you want, and dick with the distributor cap all you want... you won't make any more power.

All you will do is scrub plugs, and have a much less reliable set up. If you are looking to waste time and screw up your car, this is a good way to do it.

- Teddy