Government Worship (ArchinSTL)...EDIT: (ARCHINSTL)

[emmahumpfritter]

I remember when my own head was up my ass about the government (I was young, luckily my brain kicked in as I got older) I thought the government was our friend, that is was here to serve the people, that at worst, it was incompetent in it's machinery...

Now it's as obvious as the sun coming up in the morning. Unjust wars for profit. constant lying (their mouths are moving) colossal debt that not only can't be paid off, but isn't meant to be (debt slavery). This comical if it wasn't so dangerous "terrorist threat" being force fed down our throats by the state run, corporate media (care to debate that FACT ARCH?) is also obvious. We've been robbed, Americas have a history of fighting back, "they" know this, hence manufacture a phony threat to ramp up the police state for when enough Americas wake up to reality...

...one of the problems unfortunately are those people who can't/won't/sleep/brain-dead/cowards who simply refuse to call it what it is. When I try to put myself in this government worship mindset, I only come up with: reflected glory, reflected power, championism (go fight those bad tea party types who (gasp) want to be self determining) weakness, hippy idealism (long ago dead, sorry) I can understand women seeing the government in this light (body guard, alpha-male, to punish all those men who dare disappoint them) but when a "man" looks lovingly up at his oppressor, with stockholm syndrome in his eyes, well, it frankly disgusts me.

So yeah, go on turning two blind eyes toward your savior Obama (did you know he's black?) and everything he does to undermine anything resembling freedom in this country (have you looked into the NDAA bill yet? How's obama-care working for you? Aren't his record amount of death by drones worthy of a second Peace prize?)

I guess I can't fathom how far one's head has to be an ass to maintain that amount of delusion.

[ARCHINSTL]

My, my, what a clear and lucid rant you made; perhaps the Valium has run out?
A shame you had to resort to an ad hominem attack; one would think you had advanced beyond cribbing words from the Interstate restroom walls; guess not...

You rail against needless wars, yet you diss Obama; might I remind you who started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?
Whose Administration initiated the use of drones?
Whose Administration was in charge during the recent recession?

Your screed also reeks of misogyny; I take it you are an adherent of Kinder, Kirche, Kuche?

As to Obama's race - I'm pretty sure the tea party and Klan are aware of his color.

I have some coupons for Double-strength Reynolds Wrap; you might need the product to deflect the ever-searching eyes of those black helicopters as you restock your cellar against the inevitable and approaching Armageddon.

I would refer you to a previous post: https://tercel4wd.com/forums/viewtopic.php? ... ate#p76506
Tom M.

P.S. Oh, Yes - I edited your subject line to reflect my correct nom de T4WD
P.P.S. Your ultimate line has an error: Instead of my "head has to be an ass," don't you mean my "head is up my ass?" I did not edit that one...

[larry mcgrath]

Obama care saved me 900.00$ that I'd half to pay in premiums to some a-hole insurance company,for my 2 collage kids insurance .Their on my wifes policy.

[splatterdog]

Ha! Incompetent machinery?

Why yes, I did visit the DMV today...

[Petros]

In some issues emmahumpfriter I agree with you, but there is no conspiracey; our government is just way too incompatent to run a conspiracy. It is just incompetence and stupidity at every level.

Larry, you saved nothing on insurance, the big insurance companies profits are way up at our expense, they are getting our money like never before. it just means some other tax payer is paying your premium instead of you (this is otherwise known as theft). the fastest way to take the profits out of insurance is to increase competition which means get the government out of it, and change regulations to allow more competition, not less. the government only created a legal monopoly, prices have skyrocketed; even if you have not paid it, someone else has.

More government only means less freedom, more taxes (which also means less freedom since more of the money you earn you have no say on how it is spent). Those that advocate more government to solve social problems are what are known as "statists". The state has final say and make all the decisions. this not freedom.

the government does not belong in the health care business, nor any other business. The business of government is to prosecute fraud and criminals, and to defend our freedom and our rights. local government is responsible for public works, schools, law enforcement, etc (not the feds). All this concept is now gone, the the tenth amendment is completely ignored.

[Gottolovem]

AMEN Petros I couldn't have said it any better myself

[Mattel]

Although Australia generally has a healthier population and 70% of costs of our healthcare is borne by the government. It is still a lot less than the USA government pay to not help you guys over there. Your system is not efficient and doesn't invest in primary healthcare.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/hea ... countries/ (and those facts are cited OECD referenced numbers)

I am thankful to be living in the second best country in the world (haha) - especially when my Fiance suffered from breast cancer for 5 years. Yes - she previously had private health cover but could not afford to pay it as she was freelancing after moving cities at the time of diagnosis as well but there is no way it would have covered the amount of treatments, scans, chemo, radiology, surgery and rehabilitation that she received as I had to leave full time employment to become her carer as our family are the other side of the country.

Your system is so broke but you won't look outside to try and fix it even there are a lot of other countries (including those that you may deem as socialist) that do a much more efficient job of looking after there population - and, I believe that is one of the tenants of government. So what's the option? I would totally agree with you guys about Obama care if what you have is working. You seem to have nothing to loose but an overabundance of people getting wealthy from others pain and misery? Deregulation of the Insurance industry would just increase the cowboys and I'm sure you wouldn't want to see any companies bailed out by the government again?

Is your beef just with the current administration or both major parties in government? If so then come clean - stop being such a hypocrite. If you can't see the problems with both sides well it's no use even trying to discuss this here.

If you are so angry about it why not try and get involved have a look at other systems - read a bit about how to structure argument and debate, you might even win a few people to your thinking. I don't agree with some people on this site either but some of them do make me think about things not just get defensive.

[ARCHINSTL]

Now Matt - I am surprised that you do not know that the systems of ALL other countries (besides 'Murrica, that is) are just plain wrong, wrong, wrong!
Don't be a naïf!
Their "wrongness" extends to any system, whether health care, the stock market, the military - and the ridiculous (and wrong) habit of calling soccer by OUR term of "football." Oh, the humanity!
Tom M.

[Petros]

our government is just inept at everything it attempts, it is too big and inefficent, and also allows massive corruption becasue there is too much money involved. the problem with our health care system I think have been compounded by too much government regulations and involvement. At this point there is no such thing as "private" health care here, altough often called that, these private companies are so heavily regulated that what they offer must meet goverment guildlines, so we get the same crappy and costly coverage no matter where we go to get it. even before the current fiasco, goverment either provided diretly or heavily subistized about half of everyone's health care coverage, and each state heaivly regulated the rest. so we have not really had true free market private health care for perhaps 30 to 40 years or more.

I understand the arguments for "single payer", and the efficienices it promises, but in reality it never works out so good. My cousine who lived in Canada died at a realativly young age from a preventable desease, never saw his children grow up and get married.

This is suppoed to be a "free" country based on the liberty of the individual, but there are fewer and fewer thing we have actually any real freedom to do. we have no choice in health care, we have very little choice in cars we drive (you only avoid that if you buy an antique and use it as a daily driver), we have no choice in the fuel we can buy, we have limited choices even in the food and clothing we can buy (there are really STUPID regulations even on clothing). This is not freedom, all those government agencies are not just costly and unnecessary, but also cost manufacturers and suppliers (driving prices up), sending most of the suppliers out of the country.

It has to stop or this country will soon become another "has been" as far as a world player, and likely they tyarants in the world will rush to fill that vacuum left behind by a weak and completely incompetent America.

[terceldude]

Amen Mattel, Petros and Emmahumpfritter! If only the idiots and dolts who have the jurisdiction to change the monetary control system in the US to a more humane one, but don't because they don't give a s***, then they should start giving a s*** and then change it to a tweaked version of communism would be much better for humanity... Otherwise formulate something other than the currently existing one and the one I suggested, and if you can't, then just burn all of the world's money as money is the cause of say 80-90% of the world's problems!

[ARCHINSTL]

then just burn all of the world's money as money is the cause of say 80-90% of the world's problems!

YEAH!
Let us return to the barter system! That would solve everything!
Tom M.