Auto transmission won't shift up from first

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Re: Auto transmission won't shift up from first

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kitchman wrote:Also couldn't it just be that the linkage between the throttle and trans. needs adjustment and not a matter of oil pressure?
i believe someone mentioned once here that this linkage is used to downshift when the throttle is opened up past a certain point. not positive on that though.
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Try rock auto for the gasket and strainer.
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kitchman wrote:Thanks again,
When I was speaking to a Advance Auto counter guy, he said the FK191 kit was for a 17 bolt pan, does the trans. for the 4wd version have 17 or?
Also couldn't it just be that the linkage between the throttle and trans. needs adjustment and not a matter of oil pressure?
The hydraulic diagram is a bit of a spider web and I have a hard time following the circuit without getting lost, but I assume that the throttle valve shifts down the trans during hard acceleration by cutting hydraulic pressure to certain other valves or re-directing the pressure to other ports on those valves. Either way, pressure to valves is changing or being re-directed.
I just checked a spare 4wd transmission pan gasket that I had lying around and it had 17 holes. Now that I think of it, I think maybe just the valve body is different between the A55 and A55F (because of the extra 4wd circuit). I really wouldn't bother buying a new filter/screen anyways since I've never seen one clogged and if it was, it's just a flat steel plate with holes in it. You could just clean it with carb cleaner and a toothbrush and then re-use it.
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Mark wrote:I really wouldn't bother buying a new filter/screen anyways since I've never seen one clogged and if it was, it's just a flat steel plate with holes in it.
the one i replaced was a very fine metal screen housed in a metal case with holes on the top and bottom so it definitely was a filter.

this is not from a tercel but it's sort similar. you can see the metal screen on the lower left.

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here's a good simple cutaway diagram of one, too. it's a slightly different design but same idea.

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i still vote to replace yours, kitchman, but your car so your call.
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That top picture is very similar now that I see it and remember the ones I did. Here's a picture of the A55 tercel filter:
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The fine screen is in front of the larger holes in the metal plate.
The last one I did (on my 1st gen), I just flushed it out with carb cleaner. I guess it would be hard to see what was lurking in the corners of the housing so replacing it wouldn't hurt. I'm just stubborn and there wasn't one available locally (just the gasket).
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I just looked up some more that are supposed to be for the A55/F and they all look different depending on the brand. I don't know if the aftermarket ones go by their own design or if the websites use generic photos.
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My vote is generic photos I see them more than actual photos.
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I am definitely leaning towards changing the filter/screen, though I would like to get some confirmation as to the kit from Advance Auto FK-191. From their description it is for 4WD, A55 transmission, 3 speed, 17 bolt pan. Is this filter in fact the same in both 4WD & 2WD?. Where does the A55F transmission pair with? Just checked under the car and has a 17 hole pan with 16 bolts in it. Thinking some one in past lost a bolt and used some type of sealant for the hole, although there is no evidence of sealant exposed in the pan hole with the missing bolt?
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The A55 is the 2wd. The A55F is the 4wd. Externally, they're very similar except the 4WD had the extension housing for the rear wheel output at the back. They may use the same filter. I'd have to take apart my transmissions to be sure.
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Ordered the FK-191 from Advance Auto, receiving their conformation that it good for 2WD. It is only $11.69 picked up at store, special order, not stocked. Just a few words about Rock Auto whom I buy from often, In many cases the part price is indeed the lowest but after adding shipping it is no longer a bargain, plus if there is a problem with the part, you are then confronted with shipping the parts back losing more time vs. going back to the brick and mortar store to do an exchange. Thus , this was the case here.
Now wanting to know if the trans. oil pan drain plug gasket is as problematic as the engine oil drain plug. Found that gasket to be a bear to get not to leak and had to get the gasket from the dealer.
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I've only had a few problems with rockauto on smaller things, and they sent me a new item and didn't need the old one back! I have more problems trying to return bad parts to local auto parts stores.

I actually do the opposite, I'll order up 20 things at once on rockauto for the same shipping price, it is a steal then! :lol:

I didn't have any problems with the drain plug on mine.
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for oil drain plugs, just replace the copper or rubber or nylon or whatever washer when you reinstall them and do them up snug--not too tight.
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kitchman wrote:Ordered the FK-191 from Advance Auto, receiving their conformation that it good for 2WD. It is only $11.69 picked up at store, special order, not stocked. Just a few words about Rock Auto whom I buy from often, In many cases the part price is indeed the lowest but after adding shipping it is no longer a bargain, plus if there is a problem with the part, you are then confronted with shipping the parts back losing more time vs. going back to the brick and mortar store to do an exchange. Thus , this was the case here.
I was just looking into getting a radiator fan switch ($80-$120 locally) and valve guide seals (almost $50 for 8 locally). On Rockauto the prices are about 1/5 of that, but the shipping is $45-$78 for those tiny items. I understand that they are delivered by a team of magical golden camels. It's a shame that in the past they've delivered items when I'm at work. I would really like to see these camels. I hear they're amazing. Their prices are for 6-10 day shipping. I've had large items weighing several pounds delivered by UPS 48-hour service from the US for about half that price.
I have a new business idea... I'll sell items online for a ridiculously-low price and then make my profit by charging severely inflated shipping prices. I can't believe no one has thought of this yet!
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Re: Auto transmission won't shift up from first

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kitchman, how did you make out with this in the end?
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Re: Auto transmission won't shift up from first

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try adjusting the rod that goes from the carb down to the transmission. make it about 1/4 inch longer, that will boost the pump pressure. may solve your problem, it will also change the rpm at which it shifts
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