My tercel has an issue and I don't know what to do

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I teach Pre-K, thru 4th grade P.E. and "health". That is all the grade levels my school has, plus I teach an adaptive P.E. class.
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That's cool I like the fact that i'm in a smaller "private setting" we have 400 students.
Good luck with your tranny
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Well finally got the transmission out last night. Wrestling it out was a good term-it didn't want to come out on its own. Think I chipped off a piece of the black plastic thing on the front of the transmission. I am guessing it is some sort of gasket or seal It was like brittle plastic. I am going to look at it today. I guess my next step is to separate the transmission from trans-axle. Hopefully I will quickly be able to identify what is wrong. I think I am going to be on the look out for a transmission jack, because if it was that hard to get the tranny out, I can't imagine how I am going to get the tranny lined up and installed on my own.
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Black plastic thing? Post some photos via pbotobucket.
I like to use a strap sling like thing to support some of the weight rope or flat ratchet strapp.
I put it through the shifter hole and close one end in the drivers door the other end i can pull on from the passenger door while it's slung under the tranny through the shifter hole.
It helps alot.
You should not need to separate the tranny from transaxle to do the clutch?
Try to post photos first
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If you pull the input shaft out of the transmission before you install it, it makes it much easier to line up. There is a thread about it.
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Clutch was worn out, but large bearing in transmission is toasted, input shaft and large gear is missing teeth. So now the "real" work begins. I already forgot what the parts were called. Maybe tomorrow I will tear down the tranny more to find out what all got trashed and look into getting the parts to fix it. I pretty bummed right now. Thanks to xirdneh for talking me through what to look for today.
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I don't know where you are located but i have a replacement tranny that will fit your car?
Xirdneh may have one he rebuilt
Petros is going to rebuild one to
What i have is a complete tranny with transaxle for 1983 to1984 model years 3.73 gears.
It came from a car at j-yard with 16000 miles on it and i'm sure it's fine

EDIT SORRY YOUR CAR IS 1986 WRONG GEARS
I want this tranny to stay in one piece because it is a relatively Low mile factory assembly!
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marlinh wrote:If you pull the input shaft out of the transmission before you install it, it makes it much easier to line up. There is a thread about it.
here's a link to that thread, and the relevant text describing the procedure:

https://tercel4wd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7148

Re-installing the tranny is basically a reverse of the removal except for one thing. Remove the tranny input shaft. There are five or six bolts to remove (12mm) then carefully tap the end of the input shaft to pop it out. The tranny can be installed without removing the input shaft but it will be very difficult to do so. On some cars (manual steering) it is not possible without moving the engine forward a few inches. That involves removing engine mount nuts and lifting the engine. You do not want to go through that. Remove the input shaft and make life easy. Right after you get the tranny in place and put a couple of bolts in to hold it there re-install the input shaft. It may slide right in or it may require a little force. Use a rubber mallet to “lightly” tap it in. If it goes in most of the way but tightens up just short, hook up the clutch cable and have someone push the clutch pedal down. While they are pushing the pedal down keep your hand on the input shaft so it does not fall out, then push it in. Note: if it does fall out while the clutch pedal is pushed down you will be screwed as the clutch will drop and that will probably require pulling the tranny back out.
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sorry I have not posted a picture of the black plastic thing. The plastic part in question slips onto the bottom of the rear end plate on the block/motor. I was told and am hoping it is just some sort of dust shield. If I knew if would have slipped off-I would have done that to begin with. But hey I am learning as I go. the 1985t4wd-pdf manual that I downloaded from this site shows the part on page EM-36 cylinder block-components. My tranny is on the way thank you to Gottolovem.
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you describe a plastic dust shield that goes on the bottom of the block in front of the flywheel to close off the front lower face of the bell housing. they always get damaged, I have never even seen a new replacement one. they are not critical, but if you drive in rough conditions the inside of the bell housing can collect sand and pebbles at the bottom. these do not harm anything, more of a nuisance, but only when you remove the trans and have to clean them out.
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Ok, so I got all my parts in and am messing with the tranny that I got from Gottolovem. Going to take my fifth gear and put it on the other tranny. The transmission look different near the fifth gear. The gear bunch itself is different as well as mine(86) has more stuff coming out of it than does the 85. I am hoping that it won't matter and I can get it to work. Also having a bear getting the input shaft bearing out, tried the h20 and tp and now working with grease. The rental tools don't fit inside the bearing...
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Can you post photos of both fifth gears i am unaware of any differences.
When i separated the bell housing / diff from the tranny there was some sort of loose washer that fell off of the top of the fifth gear stack?
Here is a photo of me pointing to the broken portion of tranny i sent you perhaps it will help another forum member see if there is something missing?
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This transmission was in my daily driver until 5th gear snapped trying to teach my daughter to drive it was my fault grabbing the shifter and forcing it(long story). I continued to drive the car another 1000 miles plus without 5th gear so i know that 1 through 4 and reverse are still good.
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that is the fifth gear cluster from the '85 and newer transmission. I do not recall if this is missing something or not, but it is not unusual to break them, sometimes people put it in 5th instead of reverse and than damage the gear when they give it gas and drop the clutch.
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The 5th gear looks fine, just the shift fork is different. One has a set screw, and one has the roll pin. The one with the roll pin (86) has other hook shaped objects behind it while the 85 does not. Maybe it is internal I don't know. Also I can grab the two output shafts and on one tranny I can twist one and hold the other one still, while on the other tranny if I turn on the other one turns at the same time. Is this just because it is in a different gear or?? Should I try to flush out tranny before I reattach it, just to remove any dirt that may have fallen in it. I did get the input shaft bearing out finally, that was probably my fault for never doing it before and not knowing what to expect-gotta learn sometime. Also wasn't paying attention and managed to have an entire tube of grease erupt from the gun when I unscrewed the top--Awesome. I have unfortunately done that once before in a hurry-at least this time I was standing over the trash can. This is a work in progress, never anytime to get out there. Going to have to leave for the weekend in a few hours, last weekend was sons bday. Probably going to have a snow day on Monday so that will give me another day to spend with Rudy. Thanks for all the help and info, if it wasn't for this site I would have no where to turn for help.
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