ENGINE DAMPER REPLACEMENT

[durecell]

so I mentioned my replacement in a thread, but I decided to post a topic on it and show anyone that is interested what I used to replace the old worn out one that is no longer available.

I found it on line at http://www.speedyracer.com/engineupgrad ... mper-6-Red
it is universal and you will have to make mounts of some kind. here is what I did.










my upper mount is a piece of 1/4" steel that I cut and drilled holes in to replace the old upper mount. then I got an automotive stud and put some nuts on it to hold it tight.

my lower mount is a aluminum angle piece with some holes drilled in it to accommodate the bolts.

the damper is aluminum and has two rubber bumpers that absorb the shock and the nylon blocks hold it tight in the tube.

[Gottolovem]

NICE

Is there a noticeable difference in the car.

[ARCHINSTL]

The pix in the thread are tiny. I went to your Photobucket page (which permits viewing in a larger format, with a slideshow), saved to my 'puter screen, and then loaded to this post via the usual method of adding, toward the bottom of the "Post a reply" block.
This way it shows up much larger in the thread, instead of having to click to the Photobucket page and then using the slideshow feature. Try it on the rest.
I used to use photobucket, but for the last few years have just added from my 'puter direct - the result is a larger pix in the post, plus, by left-clicking it, the pix can be enlarged for details.
Try it!

Nice, sanitary installation! Have you noticed a true objective difference?
Tom M.

[durecell]

yes and no. I did some research on why Toyota put it on there in the first place. it was to absorb the vibration created by the engine. Toyota used softer engine mounts on the car to provide less overall vibration. the damper took the rest of that out of the equation and also helped with the rotational movement of the engine. helps with shifting. I initially replaced my engine mounts with after market ones and the vibration was horrible in the cab even with no damper.

little movement in the engine but vibration was nasty. I put my old ones back on and the vibration went away but the hard shifting came back. I replaced my tranny mount and it helped some. then I put this in and now it shifts good with less vibration although there is still some. the oem one was a high pressure unit like a shock. this one is just rubber mounts.

the bigger question would be if I bought engine mounts from Toyota would that help me? don't think I want to spend the money and find out. the after market ones also held the engine up higher. they looked the same but where slightly longer in design.

[ARCHINSTL]

I went with the Toy OE mounts - I didn't think there even were AM mounts.
I reasoned that if the OE's lasted over 25 years, then the new OE's would be OK for the rest of my life...
How much were your AM's? Obviously they are not as good as the OE's.

Did you see these two links mentioned in a recent post?
https://tercel4wd.com/forums/viewtopic.php? ... ts+#p51036
https://tercel4wd.com/forums/viewtopic.php? ... lit=mounts

Tom M.

[durecell]

so archinstl I tried that but it says the file is invalid. its a .jpg shouldn't that work. I tried to attach the photo directly from my computer and it gives me that message. what did I do wrong?

[durecell]

the aftermarket ones where from rock auto. not impressed. don't remember what I paid for them. o well live and learn. the link you posted didn't seem to work for me.

EDIT from Tom - HMMM - they just worked for me ? ? ?

[durecell]

wow a lot more expensive but probably worth it. thanks archinstl. ill keep that in mind if I decide to replace them.

[ARCHINSTL]

I just left-clicked on your first photo, which took me to the Pb page - then right-clicked to "Save this picture as" and then left-clicked on that. A window opened allowing me to title it and place it on my desktop.
It was now on the desktop (or you could make an entire new file for it, which I do if I have multiple pix on the same topic.
Then just look toward the bottom of the "Add a comment" form and you will see "Upload attachment." Left-click on that and then click on "Browse." This will open a window showing all that is on your desktop. Then just click on the new pix and click on "Add the file."
Voila!
Tom M.

[durecell]

wow so I tried again fallowing your instructions. still file invalid. guess im not doing it right. ill try later when I get home. maybe its my work computer. thanks

EDIT by Tom - Possibly the work 'puter has some sort of restriction - I am using a PC; would a Mac be different?

[Petros]

looking at the after market dampener it appears that the shaft end of the damper could use the stock Tercel lower damper mount. you may need to extend the shaft end to get the correct length, but that means you really only have to fabricate the upper mount.

Even if it does not work as well at the hydraulic one, it sure looks cool.

[dlb]

i used beck-arnley AM engine mounts on my first terc several years back. they didn't cost much but i had no problems with them. i also had no engine damper but did not experience any kind of vibration or difficulty shifting.

[durecell]

that's true petros, guess I got ahead of my self on the fabricating of something without looking close at the damper.

that's interesting dlb. makes me think its something else then. not sure why I would get so much vibration into the cab. its kinda annoying. its gotten better but is still there. it shifts good now though. maybe all I needed to do was buy good engine mounts. think I bought the cheap ones.

thanks to all for the input

[marlinh]

I think all of the cars I have driven had worn out dampers. I don't notice any extra vibration or difficulty shifting, so I don't know if it is worth the trouble of fabricating a new damper.

Anyone else with input on the difference of with or without?

[Petros]

this is the only model that I know of that uses the dampener. I do not know why they put it in the car, toyota must have had a reason or they would not waste the cost and weight on their entry level car. I suspect it might be because this car is for entry level drivers: they put it in the car to reduce the shaking of the engine due the bad clutch technique of a first time buyer. Same reason they put such a darn heavy flywheel (19 lbs vs. 16 lb for the corrola with a similar but larger engine). sloppy clutching will make the engine jerk around, the damper would reduce this effect without having to beef up the engine mounts. heavy duty mounts would transmit more engine noise to the car.

It was really marketing to the first time car buyer; you go test drive a Civic or a GLC (more performance oriented car), and you either stall the engine or can not getting it moving without a lot of shimmy and shake on start off. You test drive a Tercel and you manage to pull away from start without stalling or shaking the car because of bad clutch technique, so you thing the Tercel is easier to drive and you buy it.

Just speculation on my part, but this is the kind of considerations all car companies do when they target the customers for the various cars and trucks the sell. Millions of $ are at stake for that first time buyer, because when it comes time for moving up to a larger car later, they will most likely stay with that brand if it served them well. To stay in business selling cars you have to plan many years into the future. That is why AMC is gone, and why Chrysler deserves to be.