Winch

[Kapteinmoby]

hey, i have wanted to attach a winch to my terc, and wanted to know it anyone inside here has any experience? i have also heard a myth about a tercel that came with a fabric fitted but i havent confirmed it yet. if anyone can help maby i and my "team" will do yet another crazy tercel project!

[dlb]

hey kaptein. i have no info on installing a winch on a terc but the last picture in the first post here shows the winch that came stock on some german tercels. it was in the bumper, behind the front license plate. really sleek.

https://tercel4wd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4540

[Petros]

the German front bumper options is a really nice installation, not only is the winch hidden but there are also extra driving lights in the front bumper. I do not think anyone has see it before except in this German sales literature, it might have been a locally made assembly that was only available in Germany. If you can copy and make front bumper assemblies like the one in the pictures, I might consider buying one from you.

[Kapteinmoby]

MAN!! that looks very nice! with lights and winch inside the bumper. but i wonder how strong this winch is, becaus if its gonna fitt behind the bumper it cant be very big. i have also been thinking on welding some mounts on the steelframe in the front(under/behind the bumper), atach some rods back to the trame or engine mounts(to reinforce the front) and saw out some of the lower bumper. the only thing with this plan is the norwegian car control(think it DA in english), they dont like any changes on the car that could be usefull, fun or reinforsing... however i will take the bumper off the next car im gonna take parts from so i can experiment with it.

[TURTCEL]

I want that bumper and winch set up...awesome idea. Don't really need anything too strong, these aren't too heavy a vehicle, and I doubt anyone is planning on rock crawling one of these babies in Moab.

Let me know how the experiment goes...definitely something I would have fun retrofitting in myself if not too crazy of a modification.

It is a real PITA to always see the coolest options offered in foreign market vehicles and not here in the states. Even Canada gets a ton of really cool diesel options in the same rigs that we have down here but we can only import them if they are 25 years or older. If I wanted to buy a dinosaur I would have been born a caveman.

Come on USA pull your head out of your.... and finally get on the band wagon. Give the comsumer the option to buy cars that are more efficient. This would cut down on pollution as well, but good luck on getting the USA to step it up. We all know the way it is down here...if it takes money out of the gov's pocket then screw that idea. Even if it is better for Mother Earth. That is the hippy tree hugger in me.

Peace

[Jarf]

Those German fender flares are a nice addition too.

[TURTCEL]

Are any of these parts available in the US or Canada? Germany is far away.

Peace

[Jarf]

Turtcel - while it is true that there are many options offered in other countries that would be cool to have, it isn't ALL the fault of the government.
Mostly it is the fault of the consumer.

We have become a society that wants stuff NOW and we want new stuff NOW.
The government sets mandates, the dealers fill their lots and it is up to the consumer to drive future needs.
If everyone is buying big trucks, what incentive does the dealer body have to stock only small efficient vehicles?
If everyone wants a hemi Ram, would you fill your lot with v6's. Probably not.
You stock what sells.

The reason we have so many small cars and diesel options in Canada, is because the people here tend to buy them.
We buy way more prius (per capita) than US buyers, the problem is that our market is tiny in comparison to the US so it gets little consideration.
There have been many instances of dealers going under in the US simply because they didn't offer what the buying public wanted at the time.

So, "If I wanted to drive a dinosaur, I would have been born a caveman" -
I hate to be the one to tell you, but you ARE driving a 25yr old car.
Just saying...

Personally I like driving a dinosaur (and my wife is always accusing me of being a caveman).
The fact that it isn't fashionable or in style, matters not to me.
I believe in function over form, quite unlike "today's" average consumer.

Another factor, at least in the past, was the quota system in place to control the flood of imports.
If Toyota was only allowed to bring in so many units in a given year, then it only made sense to bring in the models that they felt would be the best sellers with the best margin.
The strange little "one off" options just didn't make the grade simply because it meant taking a chance on something that may not sell.
In a way, it is surprising that we got as many T4's as we did.
It was an oddity even back then and didn't sell as well as expected.
Lack of sales is the number one driver of future stocking considerations.

Now I will agree that there is lots of stupid regulations surrounding cars sold in NA (air bags,traction control, ABS, impact testing ...)
But it isn't actually the MAIN driver behind the choices available to the public.

[Jarf]

Not in Canada anyways.
All we got was the WAY cooler steering wheel.

[TURTCEL]

I mostly agree on those points Jarf...just blowing off a little steam coming from a guy that isn't in my mind part of the common public. I know my car is 25 years old, my statement about importing cars from Canada and how they have to be at least 25 years old was my main direction.

I have always liked owning older cars and always have. They are what I know and love. I can work on them myself and most parts are still attainable.

What I meant by the 25 year old import thing was that there are many really nice cars for sale in Canada that are newer than 1988 so it is frustrating to not be able to grab one up and bring it down. Our regulations still in MY opinion towards the US regulations is that it is still another control action. If we had the chance to have these other options available to us ie: diesels, smaler commuters, etc that they would have a chance to be seen by a consumer field that has never had them available to them. The "normal" US consumer is all about saving money and and spending money. A ton of automobiles offered outside of this country have never even been introduced here so who is to say they wouldn't sell. If they are so popular in Canada why not here?

Give a guy a hamburger that has them everyday and he is likely to pass, but give a hamburger to a guy that has never had one and is 30 years old it is likely he will love it and keep buying them. Odds are too that he will tell his friends and they will also like them. I know it is a cheesy analogy but makes sense doesn't it?

Peace

[TURTCEL]

Hey Jarf, out of curiosity because you have such strong feelings on the post I wrote are you by chance from the states? I almost get the impression that you have some direct connection with the consumer market style down here so that is what leads me to think that you hail from the below the Canadian border.

Peace

[TURTCEL]

Oh and no offense intended on the "being from the US" question, just curious.

Peace

[dlb]

I doubt anyone is planning on rock crawling one of these babies in Moab.

check out these pics

https://tercel4wd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8031

and this video of barto's old whip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAmMICQVOis

[TURTCEL]

Great pics and vid DLB. Touche. I really like that front bumper assembly...was it custom or aftermarket? Do you know?

I was mostly refering to the intensity and strength of the stock winch. I would imagine that the little guy that came with the German models was a basic little guy that would do most of what was needed if stuck but I wouldn't pull myself up a tree with one.

What is your experience with winches DLB? Any customs you have done yourself along these lines?

Peace

[dlb]

naw, i've got nothing. bought a winch to put on my wife's 91 toyota 4x4 truck but never got to it and it looks like we're selling that truck now anyway. i would only need a winch for pulling my vehicle and others out of ditches or whatever so lightweight would probably be fine. i notice a lot of big truck guys will ONLY look at the biggest, heaviest, strongest winches (i forget the brand, it's got a big red W in the logo) but you can get suitable winches for a fraction of the price of those ones. i think a lot of it is image based. i see a lot of phony truck guys wanting to look legit in front of other phony truck guys. half the giant trucks i see have never even been off-roaded so why do they need a $1000 winch?