high speed shidder

2wagons · Post by **2wagons** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:40 pm

OK, took the 87 to Marland last night. The beltway around DC has fairly sharp, high speed turns. When taking a left turn at about 55, Ok really about 65, left front wheel developed an alarming shudder. Slow down and the shudder goes away. Sharp left turns at lower speed do not produce the shudder. Left half axel replaced fall '04, right outsidel CV has torn boot. Tires were new in fall '04, correct air pressure, and balanced. Tire and wheel feel tight and wheel was not hot to touch. I really should fix this problem-I don't want to see the front wheel rolling by my window at 55 mph!. Any ideas, bad wheel bearing, bad axle, bad Karma, bad dogma...?

2wagons · Post by **2wagons** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:45 pm

no secret that I can't type and breath at the same time- I apologize, topic should read shudder, not shidder. doesn't sound to good...

Pegger · Post by **Pegger** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:55 pm

I just can't help it...

That's pretty shiddy!

I think I'd consider the possibility of some sort of suspension issue... If not a CV..

Guy

3A-C Power · Post by **3A-C Power** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:28 pm

That happens to me whenever the wheel bearing is loose. May be the tie rod ends on that side too.

Lateer · Post by **Lateer** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:39 pm

I've got the same shidder happening in my Tercel at the moment.
I'll let you all know if it goes away once I've done the front wheel bearings and the left-hand side CV joint.

If not, then we're both stuffed.

Typrus · Post by **Typrus** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:20 am

Make that we 3

takza · Post by **takza** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:41 am

I have something a little like that but it happens in warm weather when making a right turn at mostly low speeds. Is on the left side though. No Help?

If it's not a tire/wheel problem...my guess is wheel bearing or I'm beginning to beleive that these front axles act differently when you turn them...not because you are increasing the angle of the CVs, but because the mass of the axle shifts to one side...changing the relationships inside the CV joint, causing vibration problems. Just a theory.

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:06 am

I've had that exact problem in the past when one or both of my CVs were bad.

Lateer · Post by **Lateer** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:01 pm

Alright, a CV shaft and both sets of wheel bearings are getting replaced this weekend.

I'll let you know what happens after that.

I did have the thought that maybe the lack of a harmonic balancer on the shaft would cause such a shudder...

Juando · Post by **Juando** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:32 pm

the exact same thing has happened to me twice (I guess three times if you count right now) both other times when I replaced my CV, all noises went away and ride was smooth. From what I understand, this was one of the only flaws of the tercel 4wd. the small cv's for a small 4wd were kind of a new idea at the time, and like anything new, there were bugs in the system.

Lateer · Post by **Lateer** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:28 pm

Well, it should be interesting seeing these wheel bearings come out.
Either they're fine and I've wasted $140Aus or they're rooted and are going to be a pain.

I think at least one will be stuffed as I think I forgot to put the dust cover in last time I had the CV off.

Once this is done, I'm tacking the rust in the boot door, then the gearbox...

Lateer · Post by **Lateer** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:51 pm

Alright.
I replaced the dodgy CV joint and the whole car quietened down by 100%.
Both the inner and the outer joint were clicking away like a set of maracas.

Also killed that shudder we were all talking about.

I didn't do the wheel bearings as I didn't have a press to be able to press them out of the steering knuckle.

So, to fix the problem, isolate which CV it is that's damaged and replace it.

Pity it's nowhere near Christmas or my birthday. I'd request a decent hydraulic press for a present...