Differences between early and later T4wd?

[ARCHINSTL]

Good call Synth, I have heard there were factory tape decks in '83, though I have not seen them.

I had the optional integral AM/FM tape deck in my '83 SR5.
Has anyone mentioned the vertical positioning of the rear wiper in '86 and later cars?
Tom M.

[toughtercel]

"PETROS" wrote :I was at the local yard today and found another difference: the grab handle over the passenger side seat is a different style on '85 and newer.
yes, you are right , between which year i will not say because I only have 83/85/86/87and 88 I dont have "84" I think 85 have same as for 83 because I took one out from 85 and install all four in my 83 Tercel 4WD .

"ARCHINSTL" wrote :Has anyone mentioned the vertical positioning of the rear wiper in '86 and later cars? YES I have on both 86,87 and 88 model but my wife 85 have one too but "VERVEPIPES" show his picture that is flat down , i like the vertical so snow won't break my wiper anymore .
-Does any one have pull up/down ANTENNA.

[SynthDesign]

I had the optional integral AM/FM tape deck in my '83 SR5.
Tom M.

Curious if you can see if there is a production date on the deck in your 83, if you still have it around. Every factory deck I've seen with a tape player has been post 85. My 83 had one but it was from an 87 later installed I'm guessing.

Also
85+ had the addition of the light package(Switch on the side of the dash) with a dealer installed driving light options from Pia and a whole list of manufacturers. SR5 only I think?????( I just got the switch from an 86 from pull-a-apart)

Anyone ever seen these front bumpers?
Found them on the 87 German Brochure.

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Stock with 14's and a Killer grill, Man we in the US got gipped.
Check out the steering wheel, Better than my AW11 install!

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[ARCHINSTL]

Nada on info on the '83 tape deck; I traded it in late '85.
As I recall, it was a regular Toy OE option - not dealer installed, as far as I know. It looked like the one in the '83 brochure.
Tom M.

[Petros]

I really hate the stock steering wheel, that German one looks great! Bumpers too. Also notice the German broshure is for an '87 and it shows the center inclinometer gauges. Does that red line on the tack look higher too?

Are there any of our European list members willing to track down some of the front bumpers for us and see what getting them to the US would cost? That would be buying them, packing and shipping cost, plus a little for your effort. There is a least one other member that I know in the US that would like the standard front Euro bumpers to replace the big ugly US ones.

[dcn]

That steering wheel is the same as mine, it can't be German/Euro only. I like it much better than the square horn ones.

Also, I notice the center vents in the dash have a scroll wheel type thing to the side of them, not just under. That's different isn't it?

Here's my whip, cool wheel and an arrow to where the odd vent control is. Must be a shutoff thing like with the outboard vents huh?

[toughtercel]

DCN was saying "also, I notice the center vents in the dash have a scroll wheel type thing to the side of them, not just under. That's different isn't it?"

I have that on 85 and 86 but not on 87 and 88 wondering why, I kind of like them very much , it can blow warm air to defrost and vent at same time.
also I factory radio with built in tape deck from 86, I almost threw it away ,decide keep it in case
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[splatterdog]

Just had a refresher on one pain in the butt difference. Luckily this time the repair is off engine with a clean dry oil pan.

Drain plugs!

My 84's and the 84 donor engine I'm currently prepping have a large 18mm thread drain plug. My 85,86's are smaller and don't have leak problems. The 18mm's do have a good draining design, but are made with too thin a metal. There is a small square drain channel thru the oil plug nut at the pan side so the height of the nut doesn't dam any oil at the bottom of the pan during a change. Imagine an upside down "castle" nut with only one cotter pin slot on one side welded inside the pan. Problem is the pan collapses at this channel probably with the help of drain plug overtightening(thanks iffy lube?) sometimes making it impossible to seal completely. My donor engine had this channel siliconed shut already. I guess I could have gone the easier way with welding it shut on the inside but it looks like at least an ounce of oil would be retained without the slot.

I have before and just now welded a large steel washer to my oil pan while tightened under the drain plug making for a much sturdier gasketing surface. Hardware store had a washer that couldn't have fit the plug any better and I'm much happier with the results this time. I'm amazed my in-car job on the 84 is still holding up with all the oil fumes,rust,paint I had to bubble my welds some 8 years ago. Everytime I thought it was done dripping, adding heat with the welder just helped more oil/fumes to escape and foul the welds.

Enough rambling, I got a terc awaiting transplant....

[toughtercel]

yeah the oil drain plug are real pain in the butt at the beginning , 83 Tercel once I drain the oil , "what the heck it'll never stop leaking ", it a neat design so every drop of oil come out of oil pan , reason won't stop the oil leak cause the oil plug plastic washer (nylon) has bump on the flat surface on washer because of what "SPLATTERDOG" was saying the "split nut in the oil pan " . Finally it stop the leak by replacing the washer every oil change I did till 7 years ago those large washer are hard to find so then I just file off the bump so the washer become flush OR also flip the washer other way around .

[splatterdog]

Just remembered one other engine difference. Early has TOYOTA letters cast into the valve cover.

It must have been phased out somewhere in 85. I've had two 85's one with/one without letters. My 86 engine does not.

[splatterdog]

I just noticed something weird about my twin 85's.

Both are made oct,1984.

The slightly newer one has the antenna on the drivers side.

[SynthDesign]

Pre 84 have the TEG logo cast on the head too

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[speedgraphic]

I know I'm bumping an ANCIENT thread, but I figured it's better to do that than start a new one.

Will it be possible to swap the doors from an '84 to an '85? How about the hood? I just got a non-running parts car with body in good shape and I'd like to use it to make my running 85 look a bit nicer.

[dlb]

yes, doors and hood swap over with no problems.

[Petros]

the only issue with swapping the hood is your emission sticker on the underside will have the wrong year, if that is important to you. sometimes the electrical connector in the door has a different style, easy to fix. Not sure there is one on the drivers or passenger door. I had this problem on the rear hatch, they switch to a different style connector for the defroster, wiper and lic light connector. Switching it over is not a big deal.