somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

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somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by Abra-Cadaver » Tue May 01, 2018 8:22 pm

This C150 trans kit has synchros and claims it fits 1987 tercels... which also means it would fit 83, 84, 85, and 86 tercels since the trans gears etc is all the same- it's the center diffs that are different.... correct????

http://www.americanpowertrainwarehouse. ... l-bk279ws/

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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by Petros » Tue May 01, 2018 8:42 pm

I doubt it. the normal sedan '87 tercel is a completely different car, the engine and trans is transverse in the engine compartment. new design drivetrain. Only the '87 Tercel WAGON is the same as the '83-86 wagons, and the '83-86 sedans, and only the 4wd has the EL gear, and the PTO for the rear axle.


That being said, it is possible that toyota used the same gear cluster in the transverse transmission, and there is a small chance the syncros might be the same. but you would have to compare them side by side to know for sure. I would be surprised if they were the same, perhaps there is a part number for the syncro that can be compared somewhere.
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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by Abra-Cadaver » Wed May 02, 2018 2:44 am

Petros wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 8:42 pm
I doubt it. the normal sedan '87 tercel is a completely different car, the engine and trans is transverse in the engine compartment. new design drivetrain. Only the '87 Tercel WAGON is the same as the '83-86 wagons, and the '83-86 sedans, and only the 4wd has the EL gear, and the PTO for the rear axle.


That being said, it is possible that toyota used the same gear cluster in the transverse transmission, and there is a small chance the syncros might be the same. but you would have to compare them side by side to know for sure. I would be surprised if they were the same, perhaps there is a part number for the syncro that can be compared somewhere.
I went to a Toyota dealer and asked them if they can cross reference the part number for the synchros, and they said their system blocks them from doing that. He said they used a lot of the same parts in different years, but their system blocks them from being able to tell which year and which part, and even though it could be the same part- it's given a different number- so as to keep the proper amount for that model, and not have parts go to different models. :roll: There has to be another trans using these syncros.

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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by LowBuckCanuck » Wed May 02, 2018 9:25 am

Whenever I'm at an autoparts store looking for bits for Lenny, (an '87) I always tell them its an '86 because otherwise I get the wrong part half the time. Keeping the 2nd general tercel as a wagon into the 3rd get (sort of gen 2.5) really seems to mess up auto parts store clerks.

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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by rer233 » Wed May 02, 2018 10:28 am

I always tell 'em it's an'85.
if it aint there, there's a good chance it won't break!
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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by Abra-Cadaver » Wed May 02, 2018 3:11 pm

after all this time, has anyone definitively found out if the synchros are specific to this trans? If so, what a shame. But I find that to be very unlikely

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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by Petros » Wed May 02, 2018 11:17 pm

toyota does that, not only that their factory tech support will tell them not to install the identical part for a different model (but with a different part number). they claim safety-liability blah blah but I think they want you to buy a new car. "oh, look. that part is obsolete, it is no longer stocked. too bad".

often parts like windsheild wiper motors are identical with a different plastic cover, or a different color connector, or comes with different length screws for mounting, but they will never tell you that. As if swapping parts with a different color connector will cause a safety problem. their answer ALWAYS is, "do not use the incorrect parts".

only way to know is to get tech drawings of the actual parts that shows dimensions and tolerances. otherwise you have to buy and measure them. i happen to have a new set of syncros that forum member Xirdneh located, that I am saving for the end of civilization-as-we-know-it spares.

You can buy a set of syncros and take accurate measurements and post them here, if they match my new Tercel4wd syncros I can confirm it. if they do not match you can send them back. might be worth the trouble.
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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by teranfirbt » Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 am

I've got a C50 rebuild kit for my MR2 that has all of the syncros, I'll see if I can find time to measure them up this weekend and post results. Who knows, might get lucky.

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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by xirdneh » Fri May 04, 2018 7:11 pm

i measured the synchros for tercel and will put the drawing on this site as soon as i can get on a computer with high speed access. dial-up just wont do it.
i can email it if anyone wants a copy
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Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by teranfirbt » Sat May 12, 2018 5:17 pm

None of my C50 syncros match those dimensions :(

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Re: somebody come look at this: C150 rebuild kit synchros fit Tercel??

Post by Abra-Cadaver » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:59 am

teranfirbt wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 5:17 pm
None of my C50 syncros match those dimensions :(
dang it. Watch it be in the new toyota matrix or nissan leaf or prius... god willing they will have been used in Pontiac Azteks and people will pay you to take them out of their sight :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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