New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by marlinh » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:05 am

Did you get the flywheel machined? If the pressure plate was fried, the pressure plate probably had hot spots in it too.

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by spencercat » Sun May 06, 2018 10:55 am

@marlinh - sorry for the late reply, but I've been working on my other rides. I didn't get the flywheel machined, it didn't look fried/warped/beat up. Scrubbed it with a scrubber pad, cleaned it with brake clean then acetone, and it looked fine.

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by spencercat » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:50 pm

Following up re the transmission fluid and whining. Gearshifts began to be a bit harder, and the whining was increasing. Today I checked the fluid level, found it flowing out of the full hole. But when I drained it, I only had 3.2 quarts in the tranny. :shock:

After taking an hour and a half to fill it up (with some lucas oil for good luck) to 4.1 quarts 80W90 it seems happier.

Lesson learned - don't trust the fact that gear oil runs out of the fill hole if there are other indicators that the level may be low.

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by xirdneh » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:26 pm

I have found that a rest is needed while filling tranny.
I pump till oil overflows then wait about 20 minutes and pump again till it overflows. It takes about 5 cycles to get it full.
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by Abra-Cadaver » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:39 pm

spencercat wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:27 pm
New clutch remains grabby, I mean it jolts a bit when I lift off the pedal, not very smooth. Checked the tranny oil and it was overflowing when I opened the fill plug on the driver's side, since it's fresh I suppose I'm good.

I'm working on getting the timing down right, just set it all the way one direction (10 deg BTDC), and the car isn't terribly happy. Also need to identify a squeal that occurs when I start up (which goes away after a minute). Sounds like a belt but I've got the P/S belt off. Alt seems to rotate fine. Got a leak from behind the timing belt cover too, one of the new seals I put in is leaking (maybe related?).
you don't want any oil on timing belt, that's what happened to me recently. Cam seal leak combined with crank seal leak behind cover and 5 tight valves = belt shredded/skipped some teeth and would still run decent but hiccup now and then, and a couple hard starts sometimes. Seemed like a regular 220,000 mile small engine to me :roll: eventually the belt was too slippery combined with the tension on the camshaft, and the crank pully kept spinning while the belt stood still under tension. Adjusting valves is quick and easy, but those seals are quite a pain to get into. You will never get the timing right without inspecting/replacing that belt if it skipped a tooth. You're on a road to "stranded" with an oil leak behind the timing cover. Believe me, I just went through that nightmare!

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by spencercat » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:23 pm

I have found that a rest is needed while filling tranny.
It did take about 2 hours to fill, with a quart-size graduated funnel and a long tube to the front most fill hole. I ended up getting frustrated that the last 1/4 quart wouldn't stay in, so I dropped the rear of the car off the jackstands and put the rest in. ;)

@abracadaver - I hear you about an oily belt and the PITA to get at it. It's on my list, believe me! Parts are here, it just needs to wait its turn.

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by Hari » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:50 pm

83s and 84s have more trouble pulling and installing he tranny. Clearance issue with the firewall. Better on the 85 and later. Buy a couple of bolts with the same thread as the main engine mounting bolts but at least 2 inches longer. When you are getting lined up screw them
Into the two bottom mounts on the engine. They help line things up as the engine/tranny mate up. I'd pull the engine on an 83 or 84.

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by Petros » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:28 am

that might be helpful, but the trouble is really getting it to line up at all.

you DO NOT btw, want to "pull" the engine to the trans by tightening those longer bolts. if something is not aligned you can cause severe damage to the trans. I have seen it happen where the trans case was badly damaged because someone could not get the engine and trans to mate because the spline was not aligned, he had used the bolts to suck up the gap to "force" it together. The main shaft pushed it way out the back of the transmission case (it was not on a Tercel).
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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by xirdneh » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:25 pm

Installing tranny with input shaft removed helps too
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: New clutch - pull engine or transmission?

Post by splatterdog » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:19 pm

Petros wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:28 am
that might be helpful, but the trouble is really getting it to line up at all.

you DO NOT btw, want to "pull" the engine to the trans by tightening those longer bolts. if something is not aligned you can cause severe damage to the trans. I have seen it happen where the trans case was badly damaged because someone could not get the engine and trans to mate because the spline was not aligned, he had used the bolts to suck up the gap to "force" it together. The main shaft pushed it way out the back of the transmission case (it was not on a Tercel).

It's not called a bell housing just over shape. A coworker once used the bolts to suck it up and the GONGGGG of the newly cracked housing was loud and clear over all other shop noises.

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