Ooooohhh... Sounds interesting. I was talking about a FWD-4wd-RWD setup with my mom the other day. Pop it into Rear for a fun time, pop it into front for normal use, and 4wd for ice and snow and mud and deep water.
That is a great answer. Please, if anyone else has ANY thoughts on a RWD-4wd or RWD-4wd-FWD setup, please, post them.
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Why the heck would you ever use fwd if you could modify the car for 4wd/rwd? Stop dicking around and just concentrate on getting the car to work good. Check that, bitch. Everywone else on this site is helpful but typrus needs to go to hell. ( I am speaking on behalf of myself and other users that truly know what this cars purpose is).
Sould have bought a Datsun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I hope I can help foster undertanding and tolerance between opposing parties in this debate by explaining the relevance of the RWD FWD thing and most of our other Tercel plans with this word:
SPECULATION.
Of course we aren't going to make our cars FWD/RWD or RWD/4WD or anything of the sort, but we can at least talk about it, what fun it would be, and how it might possibly be done. Why not? That's one of the functions of these boards, at least for many many car owners out there, to live out our car modification fantasies on the internet while lacking the time, money, skill, motivation, and resources to do any of it in real life.
If I may speak a word in Typrus's defense, well screw it I will. He's been with us almost as long as the board's been up, learned alot from us, and contributed alot by relating his experiences with a great deal of humour. He is young enough to still be enthusiastic about making the magic Tercel that does everything we want and lasts forever, and because we're mostly old enough to have either changed our priorities or given up, lets not bring him down. He also turned a tragic Tercel wreck into a successful engine swap done on a shoestring budget at the age of 16, which commands at least a bit of respect, at least from me. And he might not be poor for the rest of his life.
Like I said, FWD gets better milage, or at least that's the myth. With a whole 4WD linkage and drivetrain turning all the time, who knows. I'd rather enjoy the mileage when I'm not trying to induce oversteer. And FWD can do reverse donuts.
I'm just as guilty of talking shit and never doing it - as all my posts about tranny mods and 20V conversions attest to. Lately I've realized that it's awfully nice to have a car without 1/4" of slop in the inner tie rod ends that's not getting fixed because I live with it believing that I'm getting a whole new frame, body, engine, tranny etc. soon enough. And it's more rewarding to spend a hundred or so on new brake shoes and drums than to live with jerky brakes because you're still planning that rear disc conversion. Even if the car is rusty, if it's what you drive for the purpose of moving people and things from one place to another, an anemic 3A-C that's slow but in good working order and actually under your hood is much more fun than a 4A-GE that's only one paycheck, custom made header, waterline adapter, modified intake plenum, and butt-ugly hood scoop away.
SPECULATION.
Of course we aren't going to make our cars FWD/RWD or RWD/4WD or anything of the sort, but we can at least talk about it, what fun it would be, and how it might possibly be done. Why not? That's one of the functions of these boards, at least for many many car owners out there, to live out our car modification fantasies on the internet while lacking the time, money, skill, motivation, and resources to do any of it in real life.
If I may speak a word in Typrus's defense, well screw it I will. He's been with us almost as long as the board's been up, learned alot from us, and contributed alot by relating his experiences with a great deal of humour. He is young enough to still be enthusiastic about making the magic Tercel that does everything we want and lasts forever, and because we're mostly old enough to have either changed our priorities or given up, lets not bring him down. He also turned a tragic Tercel wreck into a successful engine swap done on a shoestring budget at the age of 16, which commands at least a bit of respect, at least from me. And he might not be poor for the rest of his life.
Like I said, FWD gets better milage, or at least that's the myth. With a whole 4WD linkage and drivetrain turning all the time, who knows. I'd rather enjoy the mileage when I'm not trying to induce oversteer. And FWD can do reverse donuts.
I'm just as guilty of talking shit and never doing it - as all my posts about tranny mods and 20V conversions attest to. Lately I've realized that it's awfully nice to have a car without 1/4" of slop in the inner tie rod ends that's not getting fixed because I live with it believing that I'm getting a whole new frame, body, engine, tranny etc. soon enough. And it's more rewarding to spend a hundred or so on new brake shoes and drums than to live with jerky brakes because you're still planning that rear disc conversion. Even if the car is rusty, if it's what you drive for the purpose of moving people and things from one place to another, an anemic 3A-C that's slow but in good working order and actually under your hood is much more fun than a 4A-GE that's only one paycheck, custom made header, waterline adapter, modified intake plenum, and butt-ugly hood scoop away.
I'm new to the board, and I an 37. I know that 20 years ago, I had grand plans for mo 1972 VW Bug. Most of them were ridiculous, would have a total waste of money, and didn't happen. Even some of the things I could afford after buying a FUEL FILTER were a waste. It's called being 16. Lay off and give the kid a break!!!!!
Speak for yourself.3A-C Power wrote:...and because we're mostly old enough to have either changed our priorities or given up...
Having reached the age of 40 a few weeks ago, I still have the fire. I know that the 3AC Tercels were the greatest economy cars ever to roll out of Japan, and they're still relevant in today's world, even with over a quarter-million miles (and counting).Of course, a lot of my drive to build the perfect Tercel comes from being too cheap to buy a new car, and too stubborn to give up. 13 years after my first Tercel wagon, I still love these little cars.
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Please check my post of yesterday ref Typrus' post in "High MPG":
" Typrus is sixteen, as were we all, once..."
When I was sixteen, back in, yes, 1956, my first car was a 1946 Ford V8 convertible. My Dad was right; it was a dog; but it was mine, and I had grandiose plans for it which he did not dash. He let me dream. I slooowly realized that some things were possible, and others were not, even had I the money. I could never change that woof into a bonafide crumpet collector like my friend's '51 Merc Coupe or another friend's '53 Ford Convertible. But one learns by asking questions and drawing conclusions.
While I do chortle at some of Typrus' questions and plans, we must recognize his enthusiasm for the 4WD and applaud his fervor. The guy is thinking all of the time, and he is ENTHUSIASTIC, and that's really all that counts. Remember that two bike mechanics named Wright came up with the concept of wing warping and pretty much made manned flight possible - and people dissed them until they demonstrated that it worked.
" Typrus is sixteen, as were we all, once..."
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" Typrus is sixteen, as were we all, once..."
When I was sixteen, back in, yes, 1956, my first car was a 1946 Ford V8 convertible. My Dad was right; it was a dog; but it was mine, and I had grandiose plans for it which he did not dash. He let me dream. I slooowly realized that some things were possible, and others were not, even had I the money. I could never change that woof into a bonafide crumpet collector like my friend's '51 Merc Coupe or another friend's '53 Ford Convertible. But one learns by asking questions and drawing conclusions.
While I do chortle at some of Typrus' questions and plans, we must recognize his enthusiasm for the 4WD and applaud his fervor. The guy is thinking all of the time, and he is ENTHUSIASTIC, and that's really all that counts. Remember that two bike mechanics named Wright came up with the concept of wing warping and pretty much made manned flight possible - and people dissed them until they demonstrated that it worked.
" Typrus is sixteen, as were we all, once..."
Tom M.
T4WD augury?
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
When I was 16 (in 1981), my first car was a 1974 Ford Pinto that I bought at a yard sale for $100. It had a broken timing belt, which I changed and had the car running in a couple of days. Unfortunately it also burned a quart of oil every 75 miles, and had no reverse. I drove it the first month I had it with an almost totally dead battery. I had to push start it everywhere I went. The steel belts were hanging out of the front tires, so I saved my money and bought a pair of A78-13 blackwall 4 ply tires at K-Mart. I couldn't afford the extra dollar that whitewalls cost,a nd I couldn't afford to have them balanced. The idiot who installed the tires put the lug nuts on backwards and the wheels almost fell off on the drive home. The Pinto had 2 bullet holes in the driver's door, and the hood had been smashed with a sledge hammer.
BTW, I actually sold that car for a profit when I got my "real" car, a 1975 VW Rabbit.
My main problem with Typrus' posts is what comes across as his demands that someone come up with the solution to what is an almost insurmountable problem. Yes, the RWD/ 4WD conversion could probably be done, but it's not going to be cheap, and it isn't something a novice is likely to pull off. An EFI conversion is a walk in the park compared to that particular plan.
One more thing... While the Wright brothers were truly innovators with the concept of wing warping, there's one thing that's puzzled me since my eighth grade aviation class. As I asked my teacher, why was it that a couple of bicycle builders never thought to use wheels on their airplane?
BTW, I actually sold that car for a profit when I got my "real" car, a 1975 VW Rabbit.
My main problem with Typrus' posts is what comes across as his demands that someone come up with the solution to what is an almost insurmountable problem. Yes, the RWD/ 4WD conversion could probably be done, but it's not going to be cheap, and it isn't something a novice is likely to pull off. An EFI conversion is a walk in the park compared to that particular plan.
One more thing... While the Wright brothers were truly innovators with the concept of wing warping, there's one thing that's puzzled me since my eighth grade aviation class. As I asked my teacher, why was it that a couple of bicycle builders never thought to use wheels on their airplane?
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The question about the Wrights not using wheels on the "Flyer" always puzzled me as well, particularly as a former bicycle store owner. I remember asking my Mother (who had a pilot's license back in the early 1930s), and she said that someone had asked that question in one of her classes back then, and the instructor said that HE thought they were afraid that the diameter of bicycle wheels (relative to the size of the airplane), the size of the bicycle tires then available (no balloon tires in 1903), the weight of then-available automobile wheels/tires, and the anticipated uneven landing terrain occasioned their use of skids. Many early planes of various continents used skids, apart from just the Wrights', so I guess the usage was fairly common.
- - Just one of the many anecdotes about that '46 Ford: It actually used web belting to attach the lever-type shocks' arms to the rear axle. They had long since disintegrated, and when you'd hit a decent bump "at speed" the back of the car would bounce high enough to almost cause the rear axle to leave the ground. This gave some pretty weird handling and looked pretty tacky at best...
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- - Just one of the many anecdotes about that '46 Ford: It actually used web belting to attach the lever-type shocks' arms to the rear axle. They had long since disintegrated, and when you'd hit a decent bump "at speed" the back of the car would bounce high enough to almost cause the rear axle to leave the ground. This gave some pretty weird handling and looked pretty tacky at best...
Tom M.
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"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"
"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain
When I was 20 I bought a 1974 Mustang II from a roommate for $100. He'd wrecked the right side of the car, so I pulled the bumpers off it, stripped all the paint off the body, and primed it. It had a pair of tires wide enough on the back that I had to run air shocks or they'd rub. One of my favorite tricks was inflating the shocks to about 100psi, then getting somebody to ride in the back seat. Since hardly anybody bothered to wear seatbelts back then, a quick trip over railroad tracks would cause the backseat passenger to bang his head on the roof.
Nobody ever rode in the back seat of that beast more than once.
Nobody ever rode in the back seat of that beast more than once.
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I am 18 right now. my first car was a 1986 Ford Bronco II. when i got it, i was 16. i had all these plans to lift it and put all these kc lights on it and make it into a 4wd rig. it also had 4.11 gearing in it from the previous owner. Well, a long story short, I drove it for about 6 months, found out it got terrible mileage (in the 12 to 15 mpg range) handled terribly, braked terribly, and was a gutless wonder. When my friends at school saw it, they told me to not put any money into it, and I heeded their warning, and sure enough, the automatic transmission broke as i was leaving school one day. I gunned the engine to merge into traffic, and it went forward, the engine redlined, and then it went backwards. It had stripped out the input shaft. The thing that annoyed me most was that i had only driven it 6,000 miles since i got it, and i had only owned it for a little under 6 months, and about a month before when it still worked, i wanted to sell it and get an econobox car like a civic or corolla because it wa getting horrible mileage, but my dad wouldn't let me sell it. After that had happened, my dad let me drive his 97 Toyota Tacoma 4wd V6 while I fixed the Bronco's transmission. After I fixed the transmission, my dad said i should sell it, but before i was to sell it, he wanted me to sand it down and paint it. So i sanded it down, and asked him to get the paint, but he never got the paint and it sat for nearly a year. After sitting for a while, I started it up, and put it into drive, but the transmission was slipping again, and it looked bad (due to the sanding it down but not painting it) so i couldn't sell it on looks alone. So i went to the hardware store and got a whole bunch of automotive primer, and painted it, and put it for sale on the side of the road for $800. that didn't work so I put it up for sale for $600. That didn't work so i decided to sell it on ebay (not even the junk yards wanted it) and sold it for $305. This vehicle had aftermarket enkei aluminum rims and air conditioning, yet it still wasnt worth the metal it was made of. I used the money from the bronco II as well as some money I had saved up to buy my tercel, hoping that it would get better mileage and be more reliable, but it was just as problematic, with transmission issues, and only getting around 15 mpg.
These are the type of locking hubs that im thinking might work on the tercel with machine shop work
they are made by AISIN, and are found on most japenese 4wds
This is very true. People are voicing their oppinions on how to make it rear wheel drive, and Typrus gets mad at us for not making it rear wheel drive and four wheel drive. I would have to say that it is probably best left stock when it comes to that. front wheel drive is the best for fuel economy, because there is less parasitic loss, and four wheel drive is needed in the snow and ice. But if you must have front wheel drive, four wheel drive, and rear wheel drive, here is the most economical and cost effective way to do it. Have a machine shop make lockable hubs for the front wheels(manual locking hubs like what a toyota pickup or suzuki samurai has on the front wheels). for front wheel drive, you would have the hubs locked and the four wheel drive shift lever in FWD. for 4WD, you would have the hubs locked and the 4wd shifter in 4WD. And for rear wheel drive, You would have the 4wd shifter in 4WD, and the hubs on the front wheels unlocked.(clbolt Posted on Jun 20 2005, 10:14 PM)
My main problem with Typrus' posts is what comes across as his demands that someone come up with the solution to what is an almost insurmountable problem.
These are the type of locking hubs that im thinking might work on the tercel with machine shop work
they are made by AISIN, and are found on most japenese 4wds
Sigh.
I was aggravated because the original question was not being answered, and I did aknowledge the RWD ideas, and pondered a few.
Like I said, lots of stress going on.
Go to hell? How about I don't? I don't like the thought of eternal damnation man. Just too hot for me.
Ideas. Thoughts. Dreams. Why do we have the automobile? Because a man who was accused of being crazy pushed through with his ideas and dreams and started a revolution in travel. Aeroplanes. Trains. The Space Program. Time-Keeping devices. Computers.
I'm not going to say I have some revolutionary idea that I have on the table for a Tercel. I'm not promising anyone that I'll go through with a lot of what I say.
People who push people down deserve to be eaten from the inside out by a number of parasitic worms. After all, isn't that all they are? Parasitic worms of society? Incapable of accepting that which is foreign to them? That which is different? I pity those people, and hope they can figure it out.
This is really not boding well on good future forum conduct now is it?
Money used in the engine swap- $20 for the swap, plus a clutch that needed to be done anyway. Effort put in by an inexperienced, untrained, unsupervised teenager? A lot. Long days of cursing at parts and cranking the wrench. Smashed thumbs. Smashed knuckles.
What came out of it? A running car. I took that which was "lifeless" and made it "breathe" again. I never watched anyone do it. Never attended training. I just got sick of not doing anything about it, went out in the snow and started cranking the cars up, prepping for work.
I challenge you to never think about what you might buy after you can afford it. Ever. Tires. PC. Food. Recreational aids. NOTHING. That should be easy for one ridiculing a kid who is pondering what can be done after he gets an income.
I was aggravated because the original question was not being answered, and I did aknowledge the RWD ideas, and pondered a few.
Like I said, lots of stress going on.
Go to hell? How about I don't? I don't like the thought of eternal damnation man. Just too hot for me.
Ideas. Thoughts. Dreams. Why do we have the automobile? Because a man who was accused of being crazy pushed through with his ideas and dreams and started a revolution in travel. Aeroplanes. Trains. The Space Program. Time-Keeping devices. Computers.
I'm not going to say I have some revolutionary idea that I have on the table for a Tercel. I'm not promising anyone that I'll go through with a lot of what I say.
People who push people down deserve to be eaten from the inside out by a number of parasitic worms. After all, isn't that all they are? Parasitic worms of society? Incapable of accepting that which is foreign to them? That which is different? I pity those people, and hope they can figure it out.
This is really not boding well on good future forum conduct now is it?
Money used in the engine swap- $20 for the swap, plus a clutch that needed to be done anyway. Effort put in by an inexperienced, untrained, unsupervised teenager? A lot. Long days of cursing at parts and cranking the wrench. Smashed thumbs. Smashed knuckles.
What came out of it? A running car. I took that which was "lifeless" and made it "breathe" again. I never watched anyone do it. Never attended training. I just got sick of not doing anything about it, went out in the snow and started cranking the cars up, prepping for work.
I challenge you to never think about what you might buy after you can afford it. Ever. Tires. PC. Food. Recreational aids. NOTHING. That should be easy for one ridiculing a kid who is pondering what can be done after he gets an income.
RIP 10-07- 1984 Toyota Tercel SR5 4wd Wagen 6 speed
RIP 04-05- 1986 Toyota Tercel SR5 4wd Wagen 6 speed
1st Terc- 1987 Tercel SR5 4wd Wagon 6-speed, Sadly cubed
1985 Tercel Standard 4wd Wagon w/ 3-speed auto, Living a happy life in Boulder last I knew
RIP 04-05- 1986 Toyota Tercel SR5 4wd Wagen 6 speed
1st Terc- 1987 Tercel SR5 4wd Wagon 6-speed, Sadly cubed
1985 Tercel Standard 4wd Wagon w/ 3-speed auto, Living a happy life in Boulder last I knew
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I have not lost the dream, I've just come to realize after a year of working and making no progress on the car, that things have to be done differently. I have to stop wasting so much time planning big things and instead do the things I can actually do. And most importantly not spend so much time on the internet looking at car related things. There is so much to live for other than cars, and for me it is making music. I never worked on that much while I was so focused on the car, and that was a tragic waste of a whole year. Now I don't have a computer at home and am forced to do the useful things that I want to do but couldn't because of the temptation to waste time.