How to lift your Tercel 4wd

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by Abra-Cadaver » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:41 pm

ARCHINSTL wrote: Interesting! Since I am in STL, do you still have his name and any details? I could give him a call and see what's up with it.
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That's cool Tom!
It was so long ago, I don't think I have his info. His name was Ben and he was so nice. I'll check the site/emails and see if I can retrieve any info, bc now I'm curious.
After that tracker I got a subaru forrester, and then sold that to buy a 1985 Suzuki SJ410.. I had been looking for one for 6 years.

Edit: I just looked up his screen name stlouiskingsnake on zuwharrie, and found a post in 2008 that he had replied to me on something, saying he had moved and couldn't take the tracker with him, so it has a new owner. Might be hard to locate it now.

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by C130 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:31 pm

Abra-Cadaver wrote:
C130 wrote:Got the tires on :D . I cant stop smiling at it, laughing too actually. I dig the MR2 triangles in white. 25$ rack took some modifiying, just cut and adjust. No rubbing thus far. See how the bumps go. More than likely some will happen off road. Wheels balanced well as far as I can tell, no noise, wobbles or odd vibrations. ANd yeah a safari rack would be cool. I don't think I would really use it that much. Just need to throw the cartop on to lug all my boards to Tahoe. Got some repairs to do, LH inner tie rod end, weird lag(think its distributor related, thought it was the new clutch I put in) and then clean out all the nasty DNA the previous owner left in the thing. They really should be ashamed with the kinda neglect they subjected the wagon to. If the door panels could talk...haha.
Looks great, good job. I dig the white triangles as well.
My front door panels are kinda beat, too, near the windows. I think they had a little dog.
I gotta get some paint on my car one of these days.

Did you get an alignment yet?
Nope, trying to source some tie rod ends before I get it done. Camber is off but believe it or not it still drives true.

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by The Professor » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:04 am

teranfirbt wrote:
NickC809 wrote:https://phantomgrip.com/product/1982-19 ... 20-fwd4wd/

Earlier lockers/LSDs/open diffs were discussed. Has anyone ever tried this brand? The reviews seem to be all over the place.
From an engineering standpoint I don't trust it. It's made to push and wear on parts that aren't meant or designed for it (faces of the spider gears, additional axial load into the differential housing). It also can't be super effective since it only has 2 friction surfaces. Most factory/proper aftermarket limited slip diffs have multiple friction surfaces on both sides that directly spline to the drive shafts.
Will it do something? Sure, it'll prevent complete one tire fire in the snow or on ultra slick surfaces. Will it wear the diff in ways that it shouldn't wear? most certainly.
Agreed. Phantom Grip and all similar designs are GARBAGE.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by Petros » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:30 pm

not sure I would call it garbage, it is a compromise at best. no illusions that it will not grip or perform as well as a true limited slip diff. But I would see this an economical step up from an open diff. Yes, it will wear out faster. No, it will not work as well as a full limited slip diff. It would be nice to spend over $1000 to get a proper set up, spend perhaps another $1000 to have it custom fit to the small Tercel4wd rear diff, or spend even more adapting a larger rear axle assembly to fit in the Tercel4wd. Which might be called for if you are running 160-200 hp in your Tercel (which means at least an engine swap), and likely with that much power, and a "real" limited slip, you would bundle up your transmission in a few milliseconds.

So if you are running around 100 hp, the stock drive line, this half step (very) limited slip diff seems like a good options. If you are running a big powerful engine, and you adapt a stronger transmission, and a bigger rear axle, than a full proper limited slip would be called for.

I have not heard any issues with reliability of these retrofit LSD kits, only that they do not grip as well as a regular full LSD. You get what you pay for, it would cost you about ten to twenty times more to adapt a full LSD rear diff to the Tercel4wd. Even if you improve traction 10 percent for a few hundred dollars, it would be worth it.

However, If you risk trashing the rear diff when you are using one of these kits, than it would be a serious concern (and than I would call it garbage too, in fact, worse than useless). I did a search on all the car forums about this kit in the past, but could not find any instances of complete failure. the only complaint was it was not as good as a full LSD, but well worth money.

what would be really great if there was some simple way, retrofit or kit or something, to completely lock out the rear diff for slippery surfaces. and unlock it for hard surface roads.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by ccmt » Tue May 02, 2017 10:29 am

Hows this lift working long term? any trouble with the CV joints?

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by Petros » Tue May 02, 2017 11:36 pm

yes, forum member Synth discovered a new set of CV axles wore out in 6-7 months as a daily driver. Too much angle on the front CV axles will wear them out.

not really a good solution except to keep the front lift a modest 1" or so, and use taller tires to increase ground clearance. there might be a way of cut and welding the front suspension and engine mounts to change the geometry, which means lowering the engine/trans combo. Which also means you loose the ground clearance you are trying to gain by raising it.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by GLet71 » Wed May 03, 2017 8:10 am

I went through a few CV axles early on, and other than buying 1 new (lasted 1 year plus a day so no warranty) I've been going through used ones. The two I have now have been on there for two years, but I don't drive my car like a rocket ship through the corners anymore, so maybe that's a factor too ;-)
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by NickC809 » Sun May 14, 2017 9:50 am

I just completed my lift via this thread and I couldn't be happier!
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by seancromie » Sun May 14, 2017 1:05 pm

do you have a link to he coils you used? i haven't had much luck other than king springs on eBay and thats a little more then I'm willing to spend..

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by NickC809 » Sun May 14, 2017 10:04 pm

seancromie wrote:do you have a link to he coils you used? i haven't had much luck other than king springs on eBay and thats a little more then I'm willing to spend..
I was able to find it all through rockauto
Springs for the front: MOOG CC254
Springs for the rear: MOOG CC247

Hope that helps

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by C130 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:49 am

Looks great Nick!
One thing Id like to add to this thread is a vibe that I'm getting on Accelleration from the front end. Sounds like maybe the axle shafts are out of balance? I know theres a rubber ring around the shaft that's worn out a bit. All of my securing bolts for the front end are torqued to spec. Not really sure where to go from here other than replacing that CV axle. Any ideas? Oh and my trans seals are leaking too. Trying not to drive her until the replacements come in. Still trying to source the little one for the 4wd shifter...although I'm not exactly sure how to replace that one. I saw someone used thread to close the gap around it. A bandaid is better than nothing!

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by ARCHINSTL » Tue May 16, 2017 10:35 am

4WD Shifter Seal Info;
XLNT step-by-step pictorial on replacing by dlb: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9701&hilit=4wd+seal
xirdneh also has seal info in this thread.

More on seal sizing: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9522&hilit=4wd+seal

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by Petros » Tue May 16, 2017 4:08 pm

C130,

usually if one of the cv joints is worn it will cause a vibration, worse on acceleration in a turn to the side with the worn cv joint. you can check by hand, jack up the car and than rotate the outer cv joint back and forth, there should be little to no play in the joint.

if you have a leaky axle seal, that might indicated the outer diff bearing is wearing out, allow the axle stub to wobble too much and cause it to leak past the seal. This can also be a source of the vibration.

I have the same thing right now, and I replaced the cv axles (and all other worn suspension parts) but the vibration is still there, so I am thinking it is in the diff now. Will have to replace the whole assembly, or consider replacing the bearing in it, which means setting up the shims to reset the gear lash between the ring and pinion. I would rather just replace the whole assembly.

So first check the easy and less costly things: cv joints. Replace if bad. The seal might be just a coincidence (which go bad sometimes even with good diff bearings). if it is good, than see if there is any play in the axle stub where it plugs into the diff assembly. If so, you may need to replace the front diff assembly, if so be aware that there are two different front diff ratios for the manual trans Tercel, '83-84 has 3.73:1 and '85 and later has 4.1:1. so you either have to match it, or also replace the rear diff with the matching ratio.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by jimcrazy » Tue May 16, 2017 6:40 pm

there is no outer bearing on the diff,,the cast carrier is what supports the axle,, I must of lucked when I swap mine the bearing shims on the one I was putting on were the same thickness as my old one and I blued the teeth and had perfect mesh

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by Petros » Tue May 16, 2017 9:01 pm

I thought there was a bearing on each side of the diff assembly, it is what hold it in place. the rear has a big bearing on each side, I thought the front should too. if no bearings, what holds the diff "pumpkin" in place?
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