How to lift your Tercel 4wd

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by The Professor » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:02 am

Abra-Cadaver wrote:3 of my retreads...
I think I found your problem...
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by C130 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:06 pm

My thoughts exactly, weeks of searching only got me to the wranglers for 250$ a piece. That tracker is ridiculous in all the right ways man! I dig the home made snorkel. Nice work. Tires go on tomorrow. Got a kickass deal on a Yakima rain gutter setup today, time to see if those gutters have any more life in them. And as far as the tire clearance goes, sounds like I may have to get the heat gun and mallet out. WHo did you go with for spacers?
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by ARCHINSTL » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:35 am

Abra-Cadaver wrote:Yeah I miss that tracker, a guy flew in to NY from St Louis from zuwharrie.com (it's basically this site but for trackers, sidekicks, and samurais) to buy it off me in 2007 i think, and traveled for like 2 weeks driving it back, seeing the sights. Last I knew he dropped a VW diesel motor in it.
Interesting! Since I am in STL, do you still have his name and any details? I could give him a call and see what's up with it.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by C130 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:24 pm

Got the tires on :D . I cant stop smiling at it, laughing too actually. I dig the MR2 triangles in white. 25$ rack took some modifiying, just cut and adjust. No rubbing thus far. See how the bumps go. More than likely some will happen off road. Wheels balanced well as far as I can tell, no noise, wobbles or odd vibrations. ANd yeah a safari rack would be cool. I don't think I would really use it that much. Just need to throw the cartop on to lug all my boards to Tahoe. Got some repairs to do, LH inner tie rod end, weird lag(think its distributor related, thought it was the new clutch I put in) and then clean out all the nasty DNA the previous owner left in the thing. They really should be ashamed with the kinda neglect they subjected the wagon to. If the door panels could talk...haha.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by NickC809 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:13 pm

https://phantomgrip.com/product/1982-19 ... 20-fwd4wd/

Earlier lockers/LSDs/open diffs were discussed. Has anyone ever tried this brand? The reviews seem to be all over the place.

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by Petros » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:39 pm

there is a similiar LSD kit that costs less, about $100 or so. it is somewhere in in a thread the archives, do a search. There is also a link to a youtube video showing how to install it.

good to know there are alternatives to doing a costly rear end change.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by teranfirbt » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:31 pm

NickC809 wrote:https://phantomgrip.com/product/1982-19 ... 20-fwd4wd/

Earlier lockers/LSDs/open diffs were discussed. Has anyone ever tried this brand? The reviews seem to be all over the place.
From an engineering standpoint I don't trust it. It's made to push and wear on parts that aren't meant or designed for it (faces of the spider gears, additional axial load into the differential housing). It also can't be super effective since it only has 2 friction surfaces. Most factory/proper aftermarket limited slip diffs have multiple friction surfaces on both sides that directly spline to the drive shafts.
Will it do something? Sure, it'll prevent complete one tire fire in the snow or on ultra slick surfaces. Will it wear the diff in ways that it shouldn't wear? most certainly.

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by C130 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:31 pm

Abra-Cadaver wrote:
C130 wrote:Got the tires on :D . I cant stop smiling at it, laughing too actually. I dig the MR2 triangles in white. 25$ rack took some modifiying, just cut and adjust. No rubbing thus far. See how the bumps go. More than likely some will happen off road. Wheels balanced well as far as I can tell, no noise, wobbles or odd vibrations. ANd yeah a safari rack would be cool. I don't think I would really use it that much. Just need to throw the cartop on to lug all my boards to Tahoe. Got some repairs to do, LH inner tie rod end, weird lag(think its distributor related, thought it was the new clutch I put in) and then clean out all the nasty DNA the previous owner left in the thing. They really should be ashamed with the kinda neglect they subjected the wagon to. If the door panels could talk...haha.
Looks great, good job. I dig the white triangles as well.
My front door panels are kinda beat, too, near the windows. I think they had a little dog.
I gotta get some paint on my car one of these days.

Did you get an alignment yet?
Nope, trying to source some tie rod ends before I get it done. Camber is off but believe it or not it still drives true.

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by The Professor » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:04 am

teranfirbt wrote:
NickC809 wrote:https://phantomgrip.com/product/1982-19 ... 20-fwd4wd/

Earlier lockers/LSDs/open diffs were discussed. Has anyone ever tried this brand? The reviews seem to be all over the place.
From an engineering standpoint I don't trust it. It's made to push and wear on parts that aren't meant or designed for it (faces of the spider gears, additional axial load into the differential housing). It also can't be super effective since it only has 2 friction surfaces. Most factory/proper aftermarket limited slip diffs have multiple friction surfaces on both sides that directly spline to the drive shafts.
Will it do something? Sure, it'll prevent complete one tire fire in the snow or on ultra slick surfaces. Will it wear the diff in ways that it shouldn't wear? most certainly.
Agreed. Phantom Grip and all similar designs are GARBAGE.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by Petros » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:30 pm

not sure I would call it garbage, it is a compromise at best. no illusions that it will not grip or perform as well as a true limited slip diff. But I would see this an economical step up from an open diff. Yes, it will wear out faster. No, it will not work as well as a full limited slip diff. It would be nice to spend over $1000 to get a proper set up, spend perhaps another $1000 to have it custom fit to the small Tercel4wd rear diff, or spend even more adapting a larger rear axle assembly to fit in the Tercel4wd. Which might be called for if you are running 160-200 hp in your Tercel (which means at least an engine swap), and likely with that much power, and a "real" limited slip, you would bundle up your transmission in a few milliseconds.

So if you are running around 100 hp, the stock drive line, this half step (very) limited slip diff seems like a good options. If you are running a big powerful engine, and you adapt a stronger transmission, and a bigger rear axle, than a full proper limited slip would be called for.

I have not heard any issues with reliability of these retrofit LSD kits, only that they do not grip as well as a regular full LSD. You get what you pay for, it would cost you about ten to twenty times more to adapt a full LSD rear diff to the Tercel4wd. Even if you improve traction 10 percent for a few hundred dollars, it would be worth it.

However, If you risk trashing the rear diff when you are using one of these kits, than it would be a serious concern (and than I would call it garbage too, in fact, worse than useless). I did a search on all the car forums about this kit in the past, but could not find any instances of complete failure. the only complaint was it was not as good as a full LSD, but well worth money.

what would be really great if there was some simple way, retrofit or kit or something, to completely lock out the rear diff for slippery surfaces. and unlock it for hard surface roads.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by ccmt » Tue May 02, 2017 10:29 am

Hows this lift working long term? any trouble with the CV joints?

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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by Petros » Tue May 02, 2017 11:36 pm

yes, forum member Synth discovered a new set of CV axles wore out in 6-7 months as a daily driver. Too much angle on the front CV axles will wear them out.

not really a good solution except to keep the front lift a modest 1" or so, and use taller tires to increase ground clearance. there might be a way of cut and welding the front suspension and engine mounts to change the geometry, which means lowering the engine/trans combo. Which also means you loose the ground clearance you are trying to gain by raising it.
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by GLet71 » Wed May 03, 2017 8:10 am

I went through a few CV axles early on, and other than buying 1 new (lasted 1 year plus a day so no warranty) I've been going through used ones. The two I have now have been on there for two years, but I don't drive my car like a rocket ship through the corners anymore, so maybe that's a factor too ;-)
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by NickC809 » Sun May 14, 2017 9:50 am

I just completed my lift via this thread and I couldn't be happier!
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Re: How to lift your Tercel 4wd

Post by seancromie » Sun May 14, 2017 1:05 pm

do you have a link to he coils you used? i haven't had much luck other than king springs on eBay and thats a little more then I'm willing to spend..

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