Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by asa » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:38 pm

Great info, I appreciate it. Right after I made that last post my OEM order showed up. Wish I hadn’t ordered the retainers, washers, and nuts (mine were fine), but hey I ordered it a week ago before I tore into the car so that’s what I get for believing what I read on the internet. But since I have it, I’ll use the new ones.

Also, I inspected my wheel bearings (by turning them) and they seam tight and smooth so I’m not touching them. Except I might need to separate the hub to press in New longer studs.
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by rer233 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:01 am

If you press the hub off, you pretty much gotta replace the bearings and seals. I wouldn't attempt it without the replacement parts on hand.
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by Petros » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:29 am

I do not think it necessary to remove the hub to replace a wheel stud. there should be a cut out in one location on the splash shield that will allow to install a new wheel stud, you just rotate the hub around to line up with the cut out, drive out the old stud, and wiggle in the new one. you pull it home after it is installed and the wheel in place, using the lug nuts to pull them all the way home.
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by splatterdog » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:18 am

In a pinch, a crescent shaped relief on the side of the stud head via bench grinder can allow a stud to clear the knuckle. Got this idea from a new stud that already came that way.

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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by asa » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:23 pm

Awesome info. I appreciate it. I paused that aspect of the build and glad I did. Currently rebuilding the strut assembly with new springs and shocks.

One question... the rubber washer between the seat and the shock (maybe 2” OD and 0.5” ID?) was completely disentagrated. Abra’s thread said to reuse it which is clearly not an option. Seems like it’s be okay to replace it with a homemade one of same dimensions. Any reason this is a stupid idea? Material likely won’t be exactly the same but probably close.

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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by Petros » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:29 pm

a home made one would work fine, I have made rubber and even plastic washer or spacers, etc when I needed to.

I think you can also buy a generic but similar size rubber washer from a well equipped auto parts store. I know that many places that sell tires and struts will have an inventory of these kinds of parts so they have them on hand when they replace struts. they also have the generic rubber bumpers that should go on the strut shaft to prevent hard bottoming, as well as the accordion boots to protect the shaft and seal.
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by asa » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:45 pm

Thanks Petros. Ended up making some.

Pretty productive after work tonight. Got the strut assemblies together with the brand spanking new shocks, springs, seats, mounts, and boots. Used Abra Cadaver’s guide. In his thread he mentioned zip tying the boots to the bump stop. He must not have read the directions because they snap together without any zip ties or creases in the boots as shown below. Everything went together well, this was my first time assembling struts and while I am still not a huge fan of spring compressors, they are becoming more normal haha.

Also got the new control arm bushings pressed in today (10 ton hydraulic at work, large enough the press things, small enough so it doesn’t usually crack metal), the new ball joints on the control arm, and all the new OEM stuff on the stablizer bar. Love putting brand new OEM components into 35 year old cars. Makes me feel nice. Haven’t touched the rear yet. One end at a time, but I have all the parts waiting.

Thanks again for all the tips. Onward...

-Asa
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by asa » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:02 pm

Can anyone help me identify the eccentric bushings? Thanks

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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by asa » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:41 pm

Completed the rear lift today while waiting on front studs and wheel bearings. Rear was a breeze. Going to try it without rear sway bar since “they” say that actually improves handling. If not I can always add it back. So far none of the 4 shocks were good.

I realize not the best pics since he front is still on stands...
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by asa » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:37 am

Got the work completed yesterday morning. Love the amount of lift, looks like it should have from factory. Comprehensive list of work: (all brand new unless specified)

Front:
- Springs
- Shocks
- Strut mounts
- Ball joints
- Control arm bushings
- Sway bar end bushings/collar/hardware
- Sway bar mount bushings
- Reman OEM axles
- Wheel bearings
- Axle seals
- Longer wheel studs

Rear:
- Springs
- Shocks

Happy with the result. Let me know if you want to buy it.

-Asa
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by asa » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:28 pm

I love snow tires.
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by The Professor » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:58 am

splatterdog wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:39 am
Mattel wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:06 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReiOmtL45hU

If you go to part 2/2 of this video and you will see where they try to pit the Subaru against the Tercel.
I will probably never get over the 100 to 1 ratio of subes vs tercels I experienced in my bay during the late 80's. Guessing on the subes but half that ratio is actually 1 tercel, ever. Yes they both have the same cool factor, but I think the tercel was built better. Solid rear axle on the T4 makes it more truck like, scoring more points for me. Front calipers on subes had the parking brake integrated(like weird Saab's) so no skid steering and less reliability. Y-pipe converters that rusted out or melted down inside early on, attached by fragile aluminum head threads(seen one with lag bolts). Everyone in the shop would try to dodge them.

Can't say I would never own one though!
That 100:1 ratio is because the T4WD comprised less than 1/5th of Subaru's model lineup in the 80's. If the Tercel had been produced as a trucklet, a hatchback, a coupe, a sedan AND a wagon (in both 2WD & 4WD drivetrains, WITH a turbocharged engine option) then maybe you'd have worked on more Tercels over the years. :wink:

Also, why are there more vintage Subarus still on the road versus Tercels and a MUCH more active aftermarket/enthusiast community for those cars? :D
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by Petros » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:43 pm

The Professor wrote:
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Also, why are there more vintage Subarus still on the road versus Tercels and a MUCH more active aftermarket/enthusiast community for those cars? :D
This is a complex issue, but basically you can blame Toyota. They have a much larger line up for sale, and were concentrating on the more profitable 4x4 truck and larger sedan (family cars) market. the Tercel was always an entry level car, it was never promoted as a performance car, and often I feel it was neglected by the policy makers at toyota. First model change in the Tercel they eliminated the 4x4 wagon from the line up (partly that was due to meet federal regs for fleet ave fuel economy), but they had no lightweight 4wd/awd trans for their smallest car model, the investment to developeone would have been very larage. One experienced sales rep from Toyota told me, after I lamented the shortage of small 4wd cars available, the larger they make the cars (and trucks) the more they would sell in the US market.

back in the 1980's Subaru had only a few models, all were small. So that was their only target market. The early Subarus were not very durable nor reliable as compared with a typical Toyota product. The Tercel could have been a much better product had they spent the effort to make it so. But Toyota actually abandoned the small 4wd/AWD car market, as did most other manufacturers, to Subaru that had a well established market nitch.
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by Mattel » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:36 pm

Your wagon looks great and the blue is quite rare to see without fading and peeling.

If you paint your faded door trims with black paint it really lifts the car. Tom uses a small roller. I mask mine off and use a satin black rattlecan.
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Re: Asa’s Sunshine Wagon - 1984 Tercel SR5

Post by ARCHINSTL » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:38 pm

T4WD augury?
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