1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by rer233 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:06 am

May need parking brake cables too...
if it aint there, there's a good chance it won't break!
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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by mungus » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:11 pm

One more vote for replacing everything that is designed to come in contact with the brake fluid. If you are rebuilding or replacing the rear wheel cylinders and rebuilding the front calipers, go ahead and replace all the hoses you have listed and the master cylinder too. The prices for the new parts are very inexpensive and when you are finished you will know all the rubber and seals the brake fluid comes in contact with are NEW. I recently replaced the same brake parts in stages; if I did it over again I would have done everything at once and saved some rework time. It is nice to be confident you can stop, as well as not having any of the brakes dragging from 30 year old constricted hoses and swollen seals.

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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by señor.tercel4wd » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:10 pm

It started to rain in SoCal so I started to look at wheels since I can't finish the brake job in my driveway...

Last winter at the Hoonigans Toy Drive / Car Show, my wife and I bought $10 worth of raffle tickets. The prize selection was pretty rad to say the least (KW Coilovers, Turbo Kit, fifteen52 wheel voucher fort $1k, RC Replica of Ken Block's Escort, etc...). Jokingly, I told my wife that if we won, we would get her Civic new wheels when we were dropping our tickets in the bins. Low and behold, when they started calling ticket numbers my wife had the winning number for the fifteen52 wheels voucher.

She didn't really like the idea of having to buy more expensive performance tires on the daily. She suggested that I should use it for the Cobra (isn't she the best? :D ) but they didn't offer any aggressive sizing for the Cobra. We waited out for a year to see what new wheel designs they would release but now the Tercel came into the picture...

These are the wheels we were thinking of getting.

https://fifteen52.com/collections/stree ... 3773645890

They are 15x7. The wheels can be re-drilled to fit the 4x100 bolt pattern and 54.1 hub on the Tercel (machining cost are $60 per wheel). They can offer anything from ET +15-40 mm on the re-drill. I personally love the design. It's aesthetically pleasing and I like how it incorporates functional aspects of classic rally wheels. I was thinking of pairing the wheels with some Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015s in either 205/70R15 - 26.3" or 215/70R15 - 26.9". They were the only All Terrain option that popped up as a 70 series tire for 15" wheels. I think a minimal lift and some fender work will make these work since I have 195/75R14 -25.5" currently.

This is where I need the veterans help, what offset should I get? Very rarely is one given the option for free wheels and custom work at a minimal cost so I don't want to mess this once in a lifetime opportunity for our Tercel community.

I really want these wheels to give the Tercel that beefy look. I've read a few threads on here and they recommended an offset between +35-45 mm. Since the company caps it at +40mm that leaves me with +35-40 mm. I want to fill up as much of wheel wells as possible and I don't mind cutting or massaging inner fenders to make them fit.
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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by The Professor » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:00 am

Choosing wheel offset is not a trivial pursuit, there is a lot of measuring involved. I would say start with the stock offset and try to get the same or similar scrub radius while keeping the Dave Point in the center of the contact patch.

That being said, I would see if you can get a fifth wheel made, just so you have a matching spare, should anything happen to one of your wheels. Murphy's Law!!!
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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by AugustusFerdinand » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:50 am

The Dave Point for the uninitiated (+1 to The Professor!), Dave Coleman is over at Moto IQ now for those interested.



1993 Escort GT wheels are 15x5 +41 (or so) and look like this with 215/70/15 on them.
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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by Abletobecain » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:05 am

Those are really sweet wheels! Would look great on the T4. I didn't see the weight on them but I'd be concerned about 205s on 15s. I have 195s on 14s (like you) and that's about as sluggish as I want to be.
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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by señor.tercel4wd » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:46 pm

Abletobecain Yokohama's Geolandar A/T G015 205/70R15 weighs in at 27 lbs and according to Matt Crooke (President of fifteen52) the wheels... "start in the high teens depending on the specs. They're built to handle the beating of a gravel rally stage, so it's a balance of strength and weight..." so about 45ish lbs/wheel. I honestly feel like the 14" steelies and 195/75s that are on the T4WD currently weigh about 45-50 lbs and it handled the 1.3k drive from Oregon to SoCal like a champ.

AugustusFerdinand, I actually emailed fifteen52 the pictures YakSr5 posted on his thread as a reference. Thanks for linking his thread. Below you can see the comparison between his fitment with the escort wheels and the Integrale Gravels.

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The Professor I asked about getting a spare and I would have to pay for the full sized matching spare and the machining for other 4 wheels. Granted, this whole ordeal would have been $1,350 without the voucher so I'm super thankful that we won it.
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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by The Professor » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:29 am

In the diagram posted above it seems like the wheels are mounted outside the lug studs, as if they're not seated on the brake rotor. Was this intentional?

If it were me I'd gladly pay for the fifth spare wheel, you never know when a company might go under and never find a matching wheel for your set. "Better to have and not need than to need and not have."
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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by AugustusFerdinand » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:18 am

The green/orange boxes represent the outside dimensions of the wheel and don't illustrate the mounting face. If you use their calculator and put in 0 offset it'll center the wheel over the mounting face of the brake rotor. So it's correct, just looks funny.
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Re: 1983 Tercel Wagon 4WD SR5 | My Worst/Best Decision of my Life?

Post by teranfirbt » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:49 pm

Given that I have ~ 9/16" of wheel spacer on 195/70/14's that fit ~flush to the outside of the front fender, I'd say a 7" wide wheels with 35-40mm offset is just right on stock brakes. I'd be a little worried about a bigger diameter/wider tire rubbing on the inside of the fender tho, when I had mine on the stock brakes with no spacer I would rub at full lock with a 25" tire.

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