Stuck in 1st gear

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artictercel
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Stuck in 1st gear

Post by artictercel » Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:12 pm

I just picked up a 87 SR5. The tranny is stuck in 1st gear. The clutch works as you can disengage the driveline once the clutch is in, but when you try to move the transmission into another gear its like there is nothing connected to the other end of the gear shift. Any ideas before I start. I am mainly thinking about using the 87 as a parts car and fixing up my 84 since its body is in better shape. And the interior of the 87 is in great shape so will be getting new seats in the old car. But If I could figure out the tranny the 87 is in drivable condition right now.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by Highlander » Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:30 pm

I'd pull the shift console and the 4 bolts holding the shifter in place and look from there after removing the snap ring that holds the shifter in place. The cheapest problem would be if the shifter isn't engaging the shift forks (in other words, the end of the shifter isn't doing its thing). More expensive proposition would be if the 1-2 shift fork was loose on the shift rod- I don't think you can access that from the top though.- Anyway, good luck :D
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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by artictercel » Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:33 pm

That's what I was thinking. Ill take it apart tonight and see what I can see. Thanks.

Well if its the latter its not the first time Ive pulled at t4wd tranny.... Probably won't be the last. :)

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by Petros » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:33 pm

It is possible the plastic parts on the end of the shift lever wore enough to disengage the lever from the mechanism. Otherwise it is more likely the shift forks wore through and gave up. I had trashed a whole tranny when mine was stuck in 2nd. I just replaced it. It would be a shame to part out a good car for lack of a good tranny, but it is is rough and rusty, it might be worth more in parts.

If you do part it out, I need the driver side head light jug (the composite head light type) if yours is good.

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by artictercel » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:41 pm

It was my full intention to use the 87 as a parts car since its body has been abused. I am the 84's second owner so there is a little more known about it. But the 84 also has no carb on it right now... I guess I could swap the carb... But I think I would rather go with a weber. I would like to fix the tranny for a spare for down the road maybe. Ill check on the light jug and see if its any good. If I part if out Ill let you know.

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by Petros » Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:55 pm

The carb in the 87 I think has slight different emission control equipment than the 84, is should swap okay just make sure you bring all the emission control stuff over too or it may not run correctly. Also, you can not just swap out the tranny from the '87 into the 84, you also have to swap out the rear differential third member. The '84 has a 3.73:1 ratio and the '87 has a 4.1:1, the '85 and newer had the lower rear end ratio, and the front and rear diff has to match. It is not problem to switch out the diff assmebly with the 3rd member carrier (you just have to pull the axle shafts out and unbolt the 10 or 12 12mm bolts off the diff.) The '87 tyranny also has slightly different gear ratios in the lower gears, both the diff and tranny changes are much needed, it is surprising how much better the higher gearing is for this little underpowered engines. I have an '84 and an '85, and the '85 is much easier to drive, better on hills, better in reverse, etc. It is worth the swap over, I plan to switch my '84 over to a newer trans and diff next time I have it apart, they parts area already sitting in my garage waiting for the day I have a reason to remove the trans.
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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by artictercel » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:55 pm

You are right. The 87 and the 84 do not have the same gear ratios. I need to look at the carbs a little closer to see if they will swap. I plan on putting a weber 32 36 on the 84. It is going to be my main driver. It has a strait body and a factory sun roof so it will be the car. Upgrading the drivetrain will definitly be on the list. Ill get some pictures up this weekend if its not too darn cold outside.

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by xirdneh » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:54 am

borrowed this from Shannon

"I have been immersed in this ratio issue for 2 months.
The 3.7 ratio is from 8/82 - 8/84. So, if you are in a junkyard check
the metal tag inside the drivers side door (on the body, not the door).
It will have the month and year of production. After 8/84 they are 4.1."
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by artictercel » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:45 pm

Good to know. Ill check my years tonight!

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by artictercel » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:27 pm

Good news... and stupid me for not looking sooner.

My "84" is actually an 85. Born on date is 11/85... and my "87" is 87 with a born on date of 9/86. So I think all the parts should interchange just fine. It funny both the tittles are wrong for each car. Now if I could just get some decent weather. Working in sub zero temps tests my Alaskan Resolve. I have a Weber 32/36 on order and hopefully will make the swap soon.

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by danzo » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:45 pm

Not to nitpick, but your 85 with a born on date of 11/85 is actually an 86. So good for you - you paid for an 84 but got an 86! Christmas in January.
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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by artictercel » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:48 pm

Actually it was free... so even better.

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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by Petros » Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:14 pm

Free is good, it a price I can usually afford.

So do you have a good driver's side head light housing you want to sell off the '87? PM me please if you do.
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Re: Stuck in 1st gear

Post by artictercel » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:39 pm

Before I see any parts I want to take stock with both of them side by side and see what I need first. Its cold and dark most of the time up here so its going to be a while. As soon as I see exactly what I have and I don't need it I be happy to let some stuff go. Ill keep you informed.

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