Clutch

Thereminator · Post by **Thereminator** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:45 pm

Thats a good price (half?) for a clutch Jhon and Ive herd Beck Arnly was quality(from Kragen),but Id need more proof-of-quality first.Id like to find out more about that performance clutch that someone submited early. Alan B)

3A-C Power · Post by **3A-C Power** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:53 pm

Well the only performance clutches I've found are CAP clutch and Centerforce, and they are expensive. Like $300 or $400 for the kit. I am considering grinding the bellhousing so a 200mm flywheel and clutch will fit. The outside of the bellhousing will have to be welded to keep the strength. This has been done before with good results and once you go to the more common 200 mm flywheel found on the Corolla and newer Tercel, there are so many options for the clutch.

Thereminator · Post by **Thereminator** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:34 pm

It was the CAP Clutch-Kit for $159.00.I havnt reveud the performance stats yet(Torq vs. Hp?) so Im not realy sure if its better than the stock one,although the cost is close at most stores.Those Mods. sound very involved,are you shure your not just looking another project(Ha!).

3A-C Power · Post by **3A-C Power** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:38 pm

That price for the cap clutch is pretth good considering it's supposed to be as good as centerforce. They both claim 30% more grip than the original one. I was thinking of doing that modification because I'm putting a 4A-GE engine in it which has more power and typically you would let the clutch out at a higher rpm to get power starting off, so it's harder on the clutch. Also those engines have a different flywheel bolt pattern so if I don't use the bigger flywheel, I have to modify the original one, so either way something has to be modified for it to work. I was going to machine the flywheel and make an adapter for the 4A-GE crank and use the Cap clutch.

WeirdAl · Post by **WeirdAl** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:49 am

Let me know if you can get a 4age in there! Everything I've read said it wouldn't fit. I'd love to put a 4agze in

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:10 am

All A series Toyota engines have the same bolt pattern for the bell housing and theoretically should 'bolt' in. A 4age/ze could definitely be put into a tercel. The largest problems that I am aware of are: wiring the electrical, moving the exhaust over to the other side of the engine and trying to get around the steering column with it, and upgrading the car to the required high-pressure fuel system. I've also heard that the DOHC 4a engines are taller then the SOHC 4a/3a engines. This means you will need to put a 'bump' in your hood. I imagine that the easiest engine to transplant in would be the rwd configured 4age from the AE86. The water outlets/inlets are basically identical in location to the 3AC. The intake faces the right way, and the wiring harness would not need to be modified to much, as it would extend to the right areas without much trouble. The AE86 gas tank might even fit onto the tercel 4wd (not sure on this one). If one was going to put a 4agze, a small port high comp 16V 4age, or a 20V 4age, more work would be needed. In the cases of these engines, the wiring harnesses would need to be lengthened, the intakes modified to point the right way, and parts from the rwd 4age used. It will vary per engine used.

If you have any 4agze/4age specific questions, feel free to ask. I've worked lots on them, and had a 4agze hybrid in my AE86 for a couple of years. (It was very fast btw - I took a WRX turbo and a 944 turbo with it B) )

3A-C Power · Post by **3A-C Power** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:57 pm

Nick, how did you beat a WRX? They have 300 horsepower!!
Wierd Al, if you want to put a 4A-GE in your car, you can. The rwd model bluetop 4A-GE is the easiest. The worst issue is the flywheel, you either have to modify the 3A-C one to fit the 4A-GE crank or grind out part of the bellhousing so the 4A-GE one will fit in the tranny. The bellhousing should be reinforced on the outside so it's not weakened. The second method is better because you have unlimited options for the clutch that way. Neither are extremely difficult.

WeirdAl · Post by **WeirdAl** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:35 pm

Actually, I'm not a good candidate for an engine swap at this point, because my original engine only has about 50k miles on it, and ran well the little bit I've run it.

tercel4wdrules · Post by **tercel4wdrules** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:00 pm

What is the cheapest clutch kit I can get so that I at least can get it moving again? I also don't want one that won't last a year but the cheapest one considering it will last a while.

warbstrd · Post by **warbstrd** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:57 pm

ok lets say I ground out the bell housing to use the ae86 flywheel, what clutch do i get? one for the 4age or one for the original transmission? i already bought a sachs clutch kit for the tercel with the 3ac engine. thats still in the box. i prefer the idea of ginding out the bell housing and using the 200m 4age flywheel, so if i do that when i go to the autostore which clutch do i get??? man i am confused!!!!!!

i may have a clutch for sale

3A-C Power · Post by **3A-C Power** » Sun May 30, 2004 7:01 pm

You would use the 4A-GE clutch. The input shaft spline is the same as the Tercel's. With a 200mm flywheel you may not have to grind out the bellhousing and if you do, you will have to weld support around it because it's pretty thin.

tercel4wdrules · Post by **tercel4wdrules** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:59 pm

There seems to be 2 clutches available- the 7-1/2" O.D. and the 190mm O.D. one. Which one is the right one? BTW my friend is not so enthusiastic about replacing the clutch but he does want to drive it! He wants me to pay someone else. How am I going to learn like that? The only things that're holding me down right now are the tools and parts and possibly waiting for my friend to be on vacation in two weeks.

takza · Post by **takza** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:26 am

According to my plastic-fantastic Cybercalc program.... 75." = 190.4999999999 mm.

Doing a clutch is major motion...*somebody* needs to have some experience before starting.

GTSSportCoupe · Post by **GTSSportCoupe** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:32 am

I did mine when I put the new engine in my 86. I bought a new disc, pressure plate, pilot bearing and release bearing. I also had the flywheel resurfaced.

I would say the easiest way to do the clutch is to pull the engine. I took the whole front end of the car off which made it much easier to remove and replace the engine. Probably not necessary though. I bought the Clutch kit at NAPA and it seems to work just fine so far.

If anyone has questions, feel free to ask.

tercel4wdrules · Post by **tercel4wdrules** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:06 pm

I think the hardest part of replacing the clutch is aligning the input shaft to go back in. I've heard it requires some patience and wiggling around. I'll think about it some more as I can't afford to have a Tercel with no transmission here!