Pulling engine

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Pulling engine

Post by NWMO » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:59 pm

Hey all,

Hoping to find a failing throw-out bearing or pilot bearing. Quiet with clutch in, noisy with clutch out. I think I’m down to the mounts and bell housing, should pull out this evening or tomorrow.

Chris
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Re: Pulling engine

Post by rer233 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:34 pm

Think you're gonna find a bad trans input shaft bearing...
if it aint there, there's a good chance it won't break!
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Re: Pulling engine

Post by NWMO » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:59 pm

It sounds like that isn’t to bad of a repair either, I would settle for that right now.

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Re: Pulling engine

Post by NWMO » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:27 pm

Well,

Came out pretty easily, no glaring problems, though the input shaft does have some play. Likely 1/8 to 1/4 turn in the shaft and some up/down looseness as well.

Chris
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Re: Pulling engine

Post by xirdneh » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:30 pm

Its not the bearing on the input shaft. Its the other one inside the tranny
That bearing is getting hard to find.
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: Pulling engine

Post by xirdneh » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:35 pm

Examine the shaft surface the inner bearing rides on. Is it worn or pitted?
That tranny is fixable if you can find a new or good used inner input bearing. sometimes I get them out of two wheel drive trannys along with many other interchangeable stuff
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: Pulling engine

Post by xirdneh » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:36 pm

If shaft is worn , pitted or grooved a machinist can sleeve it. Cost is around 80 bucks
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: Pulling engine

Post by NWMO » Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:36 pm

I will look at the FSM, but I assume the input shaft slides out the rear after removing the cover plate. How far down does the trans need lowered to provide the needed space to remove?

Chris
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Re: Pulling engine

Post by NWMO » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:01 pm

Robert,

Are these inner and outer bearings??
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Re: Pulling engine

Post by NWMO » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:35 am

Hey Robert and all,

I didn’t pull the inner bearing, I assume the FSM is showing a keeper that is bolted from the inside holding the bearing in place? Here are some pics, seems like the outer bearing had more play than I would have expected.

Chris
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T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"

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Re: Pulling engine

Post by xirdneh » Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:13 am

The bearing in your hand is available at a lot of places
The inner one in the tranny is hard to find
The inner one goes bad
The one in your hand rarely goes bad, it is also the same bearing that goes on front end of output shaft.
Replacing inner can be done without taking the tranny totally apart but having done it that way once i prefer to take the whole tranny apart.
Mainly because its difficult to reinstall bearing without getting it cockeyed.
The shaft in your picture looks good
Can you take a closer picture of the surface the inner bearing rides on
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: Pulling engine

Post by xirdneh » Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:15 am

You have to remove tranny from car to replace inner input bearing
The large gear (main idler) is too close and partial dissassembly of tranny front is required to move it back
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: Pulling engine

Post by NWMO » Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:37 am

Some barely noticeable super light pitting. If you zoom in, you will be able to see it in the pics. I hope the outer bearing comes with a c-clip, I mangled the old one removing it.

Chris
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Psalm 37:4 "Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart"

In remembrance of my friend ARCHINSTL:

T4WD augury?
"Oh, do not ask, 'What is it?' Let us go and make our visit."
T.S. Eliot - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"

"Now and then we had a hope that, if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates."
Mark Twain

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My tercel:: 87 tercel 4x4 wagon w/reringed engine, 83 tercel 4x4 wagon w/salvaged engine and 4.1 Diff's
Location: seabeck, washington, USA

Re: Pulling engine

Post by xirdneh » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:15 pm

Looks pretty good. The bearings come with c clips
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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Re: Pulling engine

Post by xirdneh » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:18 pm

Noise going away when clutch pedal is down has always been inner input bearing in my experience s.
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

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