New Member and Vehicle

General discussion about our beloved Tercel 4WD cars
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Petros
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My tercel:: '84 Tercel4wd w/extensive mods
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Re: New Member and Vehicle

Post by Petros » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:06 pm

there is a reason they are called a "fleece" rather than a lease. the auto makers have done it to themselves, the cars are so costly to make they come up with creative financing to get new cars sold. Mostly to people that can not afford them. So you get the situation like buying a new car on a "fleece" rather than buying tires cash. But of course what happens is you end up with a flood of 3, 4 or 5 year old used cars on the market, suppressing their value. there are only so many people available to buy cars cash. So that makes it that much harder to sell new cars, when you can buy a 3 year old one for a fraction of the cost of a new one. The quest for creative financing continues, factory lease payments are actually lower than conventional used car financing (even though at the end of the term on a loan, you end up owning the car...not true with a "fleece"). Btw this is also the reason most new car financing is from the car maker, it is part of their marketing program to get the new cars sold. This cuts into their profits, and most are on very marginal financially. so when there is an economic down turn, these large employers end up in deep financial trouble...asking the government to have tax payers bail them out.

If everyone paid cash for cars this problem would not happen, car makers would find ways to keep costs under control, and there would not be a flood of used cars on the market. And most people's personal finances would be in better shape as well.

We have not had a car loan in over 20 years (and that one was paid off in 2 years, we still have that car, our 4wd Mazada MPV). We just bought an other car, used but very low miles, with cash for my wife to drive. look guys! NO DEBT!
'87 Tercel 4wd SR5 (current engine swap project)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)

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My tercel:: 87 tercel 4x4 wagon w/reringed engine, 83 tercel 4x4 wagon w/salvaged engine and 4.1 Diff's
Location: seabeck, washington, USA

Re: New Member and Vehicle

Post by xirdneh » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:43 pm

My wife and I drove cheap cars that we fixed ourselves. That allowed us to pay off the important things like house and kids college so we could retire at relatively young ages. The cars we had and still have could be worked on by the average home mechanic. Today's cars are almost impossible to work on, at least for me that's true.
After retirement my wife got a 2010 Camry in 2013, hopefully it will be problem free for a long time cause I might only be able to handle brake pad replacements.
Love those Tercell 4x4 wagons but they sure suffer from road noise.

SnowGoose
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My tercel:: 1985 SR5 Wagon
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Re: New Member and Vehicle

Post by SnowGoose » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:45 pm

Petros wrote:there is a reason they are called a "fleece" rather than a lease.
I heard on NPR Marketplace a week or two ago that the average new car loan has topped $500 per month for the first time. Given that most new cars are financed (anyone know the percentage of new cars financed versus bought outright?), and loans now regularly stretch from 5 to 8 years (and most new cars are in fact, pick-up trucks), I guess we didn't collectively learn anything from the recession. What's going to happen when gas goes back up to $4 or more per gallon?

Petros, on that Esteem you had, do you know how the engine died? Did the timing chain snap? I'm about to replace the valve cover gasket and it looks like the upper chain guide (#2) is an easy replacement (and from the limited info on the Suzuki forum, this guide is supposedly an achilles heel in that engine). I could see that guide breaking and the chain rattling then coming loose so I'm going to change it anyway while I have the cover off.

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Re: New Member and Vehicle

Post by Petros » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:26 pm

The Suzuki engine failed because the number 3 cylinder sucked an exhaust valve and disintegrated. It still cranked but made a terrible crunching noise. When I took the spark plugs out the #3 spark plug electrodes were smash, porcelain tip shattered, and it looked like loose shredded metal down in the the cylinder. The timing chain was fine. I was actually surprised since this is a really good engine, but perhaps about 240k miles was its life limit. If you have to take the head off for other service, it might be prudent to replace the exhaust valves and seals. this can happen on a toytoa engine too, but the parts are a lot less costly.
'87 Tercel 4wd SR5 (current engine swap project)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)

SnowGoose
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My tercel:: 1985 SR5 Wagon
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Re: New Member and Vehicle

Post by SnowGoose » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:18 pm

I'm at 104k on this one right now. My valve cover gasket is pissing out oil - going to replace just the spark plugs and what I can easily get at this time. Despite my best fluid-filming efforts and regular OCD hot-water de-salting power washes, I'm betting that - since it's my winter runner in Maine - the rust monster is going to eat my car before the engine implodes.

To get the timing cover off, I've got to remove the oil pan & the transmission mounting member, and one exhaust pipe. The pan and mounting member are my two rustiest parts of the underbody right now - the previous owner did get the front end K-frame recall within the 12 year window, but for some reason they neglected to change that crossmember. I have the crossmember and need to pick up a new oil pan, and I'm sure, from the vibrations, that the engine & transmission mounts on the bottom need replacing too. I also have the AT, which has two rusty oil cooler lines that pass through the radiator, which look like I'll have to custom rig replacements for. So I'm thinking next year's project will be to get to that timing chain guide #1, replace the oil pan, crossmember, mounts, and transmission fluid, cooler lines and tidy up the exhaust mounts, etc. I know that with this car, since parts are hard to come by in this area, and because everything underneath is rust-welded together, that this car will be off the road for some time while she's laid up. Maybe at that time I'll consider the valve-job too if the engine isn't running as smoothly as I like.

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Re: New Member and Vehicle

Post by SnowGoose » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:59 pm

Fast forward almost three years.

Finally got the gold tercel on the road for regular use. It had been sitting for a while until I had time to do some small mechanical work to make it trustworthy on the road. Have put maybe 300 miles on it so far. The gas gelled up from sitting so long, but some B12 and starter fluid and some pressurized air got the carb jets cleaned out. Now she runs pretty decently except for a good intermittent hesitation from the carb that's gotten worse than when I bought the car. Going to replace the clutch soon, get some new tires put on and an alignment, then get a paint job. The gold paint was pretty shitty - all the clearcoat has peeled off. Going to put it back to its 4E1 - Light Topaz Metallic original color.

At 268,300 miles and now with two parts cars, I plan on keeping this on the road as long as I can. Unless/until they stop dumping tons of salt and calcium chloride on Maine roads, there's a slim-to-none chance that it's going to see a winter. Oh well. While it would be nice to drive it in the snow, I may turn one of my parts cars into a winter beater after my 2000 Suzuki Esteem wagon rusts out from underneath. Otherwise the only 4-wheeling it's going to get is when we take it down my sister-in-law's camp road way deep in the woods.

If anyone else is in the Midcoast Maine area, would love to have someone see the car and give me any pointers or things to look out for. I have nothing to compare it against. Never drove or rode in someone else's Tercel Wagon. Just like older mechanically simple wagons that get good gas mileage. Haven't had a car with a carburetor since the 1990s.

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Re: New Member and Vehicle

Post by Petros » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:47 pm

ha! welcome back.

you might look for a vacuum leak in all those vac lines, also check the intake manifold mounting bolts. a vac leak often causes the hesitation. Usually an easy fix, finding it is the challenge.

Also, the accelerator pump could be another cause of hesitation, each check: look down the throat of the carb with a flash light (air clearer off), hold the choke butter fly open, and rapidly advance the throttle. YOu should see a strong stream of fuel squirting down the throat of the carb.

if it is weak or dribbles, the accelerator pump needs to be replaced. not difficult, you have to pull the top of the carb off. do it carefully, there are lots of tiny parts you can drop or lose in the process.
'87 Tercel 4wd SR5 (current engine swap project)
'84 Tercel 4wd (daily driver, with on going mods)
'92 Mazda MPV 4wd (wife's daily driver)
'85 Tercel 4wd DLX auto(daughter's daily driver)
'01 Honda Civic (other daughter's daily driver)

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My tercel:: 1985 Tercel SR5, stock; 1987 T4WD DLX wagon, manual tranny
Location: North Coastal California

Re: New Member and Vehicle

Post by garyfish » Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:07 pm

SnowGoose -- welcome back to the fold... there's a brand-new T4WD owner and Forum member from somewhere in Maine who started a thread a few days ago... only one post so far, but you could try to reach him by clicking on the "Contact" link and sending a Private Message...

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13409
1985 Tercel SR5 4WD wagon, 300K
1987 Tercel DLX 4WD wagon, 6-speed manual, 244K -- got this one running Jan. 2015 (had been sitting for 2 years)

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