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The beater's new shoes

Post by splatterdog » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:37 pm

Finally putting snows on a T4. They are the new version of the proven General Altimax Arctic.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.js ... +Arctic+12

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Post by splatterdog » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:28 am

Just got some generic 5 spoke rims too. MR2 triangles are impossible to get caked in snow out from them!

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Post by helipilot77 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:22 am

I’d like to hear how they perform. Once you get them on the snow please post how they do.
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Post by splatterdog » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:10 am

I'm positive I will love them. Very popular as they are pretty much the best snow for the money. Money no object? Go Blizzak.. The wife got the old version last winter, and they performed great. Didn't take long until she got what I call "snow tire rage" at all the people rolling on all season tires. I also told her that defensive driving is different due to all the skaters out there. Don't jam the brakes without checking your rear view! Leaving everyone behind is what I like to do. Even with a low HP T4, all seasons did that very well. Want to beat my turd now, better have snows and maybe a true 50/50 split also..

The Arctic12's are supposed to be better in every way at pretty much the same price. The 2 nylon plies have been replaced by polyamide(essentially Kevlar).

Treadwear on the old version is impressive. A delivery driver I service with an HHR panel got tired of seasonal swaps, so he runs the Generals year round. Tires get one rotate every 50-60k/1 year. By the end of summer, the fronts are smoked, rears still great. Rears to the front, new pair in the back, good until next fall!

On a side note, there are some great all season+ tires now that do great in snow and can be run year round without a severe wear penalty. Nokian WRG3 for cars and trucks, and Cooper AT/W for trucks only(which I have on the expedition and love). The sides of many tread blocks even have treads. Even though you can, passing plow trucks should be avoided! Snow tire rage..

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Re: The beater's new shoes

Post by splatterdog » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:26 am

OK, not exactly new. Just like the previous Arctic tires, they are rebadged Gislaved Nordfrosts. The new Generals are Nordfrost 100's.

Older design? Yes.
Still kick ass? Pretty sure.

For unstudded ice tires there are better/more expensive choices. Blizzaks are butter soft at low temps, but wear quick. The Generals do better in deep snow and slush due to a more open tread design. No 100% perfect tire..

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Post by splatterdog » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:40 pm

Got a first impression on a customer car today. He saw mine waiting in the corner and said I want some! Going year round too as the car sees just a few thousand miles a year. 04 Buick Century with 41k..

Anyway, no traction testing. Just very impressed with how quiet and smooth they were all the way up to 70. Handled roundabouts good too, didn't seem squishy at all. Temp about 15f.

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Post by splatterdog » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:24 pm

Another incremental report. Got a inch last night. Knew I should have put the tires on yesterday, but I've had enough to do just shaking off a few years of cobwebs. There was moss on my bumpers! Pretty sure I had a stuck valve for a few minutes after first start in a long time.

Anyway, got the tires on this morning and found some patches of packed down snow on side streets. Got to the shop with low mileage all seasons. After the tire swap braking was incredibly better. 2wd spin was greatly reduced, 4wd spin was impossible even with a slightly aggressive launch. Maybe with a drag race launch, but I wouldn't do that to my T4's driveline.

Someone's feelings are going to get hurt this winter when they get spanked by an old crusty 62hp turd!

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Post by splatterdog » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:36 am

Very small ice test done. I was the first one on the lake with an as close to the shore as possible U-turn. Got off so it passes! Hand augered holes on two lakes for an ice survey. First one(pictured) had 4 inches from shore all the way out. Second had 5 in the basin and 8 near shore. Fishing next weekend! But now I hope snow waits until there's at least a foot of ice..
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