First issue

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Re: First issue

Post by Petros » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:19 pm

a powerful impact wrench is very nice to have, no doubt about it. But I have rarely found it necessary on the Tercel.

I can not imagine why anyone would need 360 ft lbs on the pulley bolt! it has almost no load on it, it just holds the pulley on the key. Perhaps a diesel tends to rattle them loose? we once had a buick (the GM V-6) that used a torque to yield 180 ft lb pulley bolt, nearly impossible to get at (tranvers engine instl). why they need that much to hold on a sheet metal pulley is a mystery, it has to come off to replace the POS sensor they hide behind it.

I just as soon stay with the Japanese cars that rarely require 80 to 90 ft-lb on the front pulley (none of mine did anyway, from Nissan to Mazda, 4 cyl and v-6 engines).
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Re: First issue

Post by irowiki » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:36 am

Petros wrote: I just as soon stay with the Japanese cars that rarely require 80 to 90 ft-lb on the front pulley (none of mine did anyway, from Nissan to Mazda, 4 cyl and v-6 engines).

My 92 Camry V6 3VZ needs 180 pounds on the crank pulley bolt.
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Re: First issue

Post by Petros » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:57 pm

well, I will be staying away from those too!

why on earth would it need that much torque to hold a pulley on the end of a crank?
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Re: First issue

Post by irowiki » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:51 am

I don't know, the block was used first in toyota pickup trucks as the 3VZ-E (or something) so perhaps that is related.

It was a bear to get off. The first bolt had to be cut off (more or less) and the second bolt on the parts engine I bought an electric impact from sears (open box clearance) that did 300 foot pounds and got it off after 12 seconds.
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Re: First issue

Post by Ridlbox » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:15 am

When I did the timing belt on mine I actually had to use a polar to get that pulley off the bottom of the crankshaft rust had set for who knows how many years and it was stuck
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Re: First issue

Post by NWMO » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:33 pm

Finally,

A month later, but the Rusty Frog is back on the road :) Took it for a 15 mile test tonight and all seems good. Will drive tomorrow night after checking fluids, looking for leaks and then put back into daily service :) Oodles of pics to follow when I find time.

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Re: First issue

Post by NWMO » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:25 pm

Hey all,

Found one leak on a heater core hose connection that went away when improved. 100+ miles today, all seems good.

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Re: First issue

Post by timothygodden » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:04 am

irowiki wrote:
Petros wrote: I just as soon stay with the Japanese cars that rarely require 80 to 90 ft-lb on the front pulley (none of mine did anyway, from Nissan to Mazda, 4 cyl and v-6 engines).

My 92 Camry V6 3VZ needs 180 pounds on the crank pulley bolt.
Helped a friend with a reverse spinning Honda engine (Japanese made), crank still tightens clockwise, 650ftlbs to keep the engine harmonics from spitting out the bolt.

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Re: First issue

Post by simon84 » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:43 pm

Hey, just reviving this thread.

I'm into a timing belt, camshaft seal, crankshaft seal replacement. I got the crankshaft pulley of with a puller as it was a bit rusty. Now I can't get the crankshaft gear off. It seems to be rusty also. I put a little liquid wrench on it and have left it for now. Is there a puller that will work? I have one but it won't quite fit in behind it.

Thanks for any tips on this...
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Re: First issue

Post by simon84 » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:39 pm

I just watched xirdneh's video and I see that he made a special tool to pull the crankshaft gear. I already have a gear/steering wheel puller that I used to get the crankshaft pulley off with. I can probably make something to slip in behind the gear and pull it off.
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Re: First issue

Post by Jonymoto » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:39 pm

Simon, I know this sounds stupid, but don't be tempted to wedge the pulley out using a big screw driver or chisel. The pulley is made from casting material and the back flange is easily broken. This happened to me once and I had a lot of trouble finding a replacement pulley. Also the thin aluminium housing behind the pulley houses the oil pump. If you crack the housing, oil will seep out. When you do get the pulley off, drill and tap two M6 or 1/4" holes on its front face. Make yourself a pulley from a piece of flat bar with a tapped hole in the middle. Next time you want to pull the pulley off, screw the flat bar to the 2 holes in the pulley. Insert a screw in the flat bar and tighten it against the end of the crank shaft. Cover the screw hole in the crank shaft with a piece of thin metal to press against.
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Re: First issue

Post by simon84 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:58 am

Yeah, thanks for that.
I did try a little prying but I could tell that the casting behind would not stand up to much so I did not apply much force. Based on how much force was required to pull the pulley wheel off, it is going to need a good pull. I will have to make something like xirdneh did.
Not a bad idea to drill and tap the holes for next time.
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Re: First issue

Post by ARCHINSTL » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:10 pm

@ simon84 -
Did you see the tools I made (a variation of xirdneh's) in a recent post?
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12567&p=97224#p97224
I used a lot of Kroil before pulling.
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Re: First issue

Post by Petros » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:38 pm

ATF makes the best penetrating oil, soak it in AFT, apply some heat to the gear (to the gear only) to make it expand slightly, than pound on it in all directions with a soft hammer to break it loose. I have always been able to get them off that way, even when rusted in place. You may want to gently pry behind it with a flat tool, it should move once it is broken free with a soft hammer. Though as noted be very careful, it is a thin cast aluminum oil pump housing you are prying against. I saw another forum member who had cracked the housing when he replaced the front seal, leaked like crazy, he thought he messed up the seal, took it all apart to find the oil pump housing with a small crack in it, right where a screw driver would push on it when you lever on the gear.

A special puller is a good way to go, but I have not yet found I needed one (I have done this perhaps 20 times on different Tercels).

Good luck.
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Re: First issue

Post by ARCHINSTL » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:45 pm

Petros wrote:...apply some heat to the gear (to the gear only) to make it expand slightly, than pound on it in all directions with a soft hammer to break it loose. I have always been able to get them off that way, even when rusted in place. You may want to gently pry behind it with a flat tool, it should move once it is broken free with a soft hammer.
Tried that - did not work.
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